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Here's to Your Health:  HPV  |
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
2552 Posts |
 Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 08:05:17 AM
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I am not going ot get WAAAAAY into this because I have VERY strong opinions regarding vaccinations, we do not vasccinate our children for anything and for various reasons. HPV is a sexually transmitted virus. The vaccine only protects against 2 of the 13 or so strains that can give you cancer and there are well over 100 strains of HPV altogether. Gardasil has not been out long enough to know of any of the long term effects of administering it and if you teach your children sexual responsibility, they will not catch an STD or STV. I think that is all I can say about it without my opinions getting heated....
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com
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Homepage: http://mysticwoodsfarm.com |
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 10:31:42 AM
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I believe that responsibility is key in any decision regarding our children and their health. I've chosen to be responsible for my children and my community by protecting them against diseases that can devastate (sp).
With this vaccine, protecting against two of the cancer-causing strains is better than protection against none, IMO. Teaching children about sexual responsibility is important but not fool-proof, as evidenced by the many fools who have been taught it and still wind up in trouble.
I hope that all parents bear the weight of their responsibility- for their children, their families and their communities at large. While it may be ideal, we don't live in a bubble of our own immediate world.
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 10:45:29 AM
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We chose not to vaccinate for many reasons........however this is one I will not give because we don't enough enough about how it will affect our girls, our grand daughters or their daughters. I had a friend who was part of the focus group on the marketing for this and she was NOT pleased at all with the companies gist.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 10:51:54 AM
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A general hypothetical question... if someone comes up with a vaccine for HIV, would you have your children vaccinated? That seems to bear a lot more weight to people because HIV will kill you. Would you treat that possibility differently?
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
2552 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 11:03:02 AM
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I plan to teach my children sexual responsibility, plain and simple. I believe that if more parents were actively involved in the things their children know-and be honest and forthright with them, that THAT is the best vaccine you can administer in terms of sexual health.
Look at it from this perspective: When birth control first came out it was a savior for many women. Now they could have sex without fear of pregnancy. Now look at all the things that are happening to women....getting ovarian cancer, becoming vegetables, blod clots, heart attacks, endometrial cancer, breast cancer, heart murmurs, strokes, high blood pressure, etc. not to mention the hormonal confusion bodies are going through now because of birth control, and so the rate of multiple births has gone up exponentially (of course there are other environmental contributors to that as well as fertility treatments -which IMHO go hand in hand) They did not know about all of the mal-effects when it came out, but touted it giving women sexual freedom. This is in essence doing the very same thing, only ot girls who have no business being sexually active. You dont use a band-aid to mend a broken leg, you take the appropriate measures, and vaccinating for promiscuity purposes is proposterous to say the least. No one wants to take any responsibility for what a child knows or does, so we band aid it...if parents aren't going to take the initiative to teach their children in an open and honest way about sexuality and the ill-effects it can have, the answer is NOT to dope them with a vaccine we don't know enough about yet. It is then up to educators-if you have children in public or private schools, or health care professionals...but wait, these are the same people in most cases saying that our daughters NEED this vaccine.
is it any coincidence that the Governor of Texas has ties to Merck through Women in Governemnt? It is all politically motivated to instill control where government has no business having control.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com
http://tasharose365.wordpress.com/
Homepage: http://mysticwoodsfarm.com |
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MustangSuzie
True Blue Farmgirl
634 Posts
Sarah
New London
Missouri
USA
634 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 2:18:34 PM
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Very well said Tasha, I totally agree.
Blessings....
Sarah
Something I borrowed...
"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." -From The Great Law Of The Iroquois Confederacy.
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 3:39:32 PM
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sewgirlie
True Blue Farmgirl
1894 Posts
Sheryl-lyn
Calverton
NY
USA
1894 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 5:15:35 PM
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As a teacher of 12 and 13 year old girls and boys who generally come from good families and are talked to about taking care of their bodies and their souls by both teachers and families, I can assure you that these kids know A LOT!!! about sex today and consider it to be fairly normal to engage in some type of sexuality at young ages. I have found notes from girls who appear to be the epitomy of innocence, yet their notes to boys read like Playboy magazine articles!
In the world we live in today, our kids are bombarded with sexuality from every direction. To assume they will be "good" until they are married is not going to be a reality for many of them, no matter how strong the family values are.
I am not sure how I feel about forcing a vaccine on everyone, but the dangers of sexuality are clear and present for our lovely daughters and granddaughters in 2007. |
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Feb 03 2007 : 9:09:50 PM
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Tasha, you put it very well, thank you. and no I would NOT vaccinate for HIV...... I am already praying for my children as well as teaching them and praying for their future spouses. Purity IS possible even in todays soceity.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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KYgurlsrbest
True Blue Farmgirl
4853 Posts
Jonni
Elsmere
Kentucky
USA
4853 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:00:48 AM
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This thread began "...anyone else have any (HPV) stories to share?". Tasha, do you have HPV? Armywifey? How about you?
I'm asking because that's what this thread was about. And, the original poster, bless her, I'm sure has long ago stop reading these rants about vaccinations and chastity/abstinence, because, well, that really wasn't helping her, was it? She was probably looking for a bit of alliance, and information, like most of us (complete strangers) who have attempted to make connections here, whether about garden seeds or mother in law issues. Just like the family forum, "problem with husband" thread(s) where we were all enlightened on the definition of submissive (which I happily stayed out of because it's simply a non-issue to me), this became some mission to school us in the way of loose morals/poor parenting, big brother government and just what kind of women get HPV--i.e, most of us who were (sadly) honest on this thread, thank you.
These reacions make it less and less enjoyable to visit this site. I don't care if you're Josephine to your Napoleon. I don't care if you choose to vaccinate your kids or you don't. I find some of these opinions intriguing,and when I have the inkling to satisfy my curiosity, I'll look into the pros and cons FOR MYSELF. More importantly, I've never concerned myself with the methodology in which certain posters' religion was based. I simply went with the feeling that we were all entitled to believe what we each feel is true. According to some here, I'm one of the many on a straight path to hell.
Faith is a strong thing, and we are all impassioned and different in our views, but these views cease to be remarkable when we diminish one another, and forget our compassion, which is our greatest gift.
Just think of all of the roads there are...all of the things I haven't seen....yet. |
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MustangSuzie
True Blue Farmgirl
634 Posts
Sarah
New London
Missouri
USA
634 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:05:27 AM
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Viruses constantly mutate and change so I really don't see how they are coming up with a vac, or else there would be one for the common cold by now. We definitely have to educate our children. They are bombarded everywhere they turn with sex...sex in the news, sex on tv/movies, sex on the radio in songs (have you really listened to some of the words?) it is all around them. I stumbled upon my (then)11 yr old daughters diary and she had wrote in there about having sex all the time. I know she doesn't, but the idea is already in her head. It is time that parents took back the responsiblity of raising their kids and not leaving it up to societ, government or hollywood.
Blessings....
Sarah
Something I borrowed...
"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." -From The Great Law Of The Iroquois Confederacy.
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rosebud74a
True Blue Farmgirl
109 Posts
Stacy
Maryland
NY
USA
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 06:40:35 AM
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As I health care provider, someone who gives out the HPV vaccine, and as someone who is currently infected with the HPV, I think that I have something of value to share. I can understnd how incredibly frustrating the big pharm companies are. I go to confrences where they are giving out pens, and other useless junk just to get you to write for their particular drug. It is difficult for me to wade through what is good and bad about thier products, I can't imagine how difficult it is for the general public.
That being said, I decided to not get the flu vaccine this year much to the dismay of my co-workers. I have never had the flu shot before and never gotten the flu. I was not really worried about it until I took care of someone who possibly had the flu and then the rest of the day I had patients who where elderly. I was so worried about giving an elderly person the flu. What does this have to do with HPV? I think that it illistrates there is some amount of social responsiblity that we all have in regards to the health of those around us. I was only thinking about myself and my fear of needles and not that I could possibly infect and kill and old lady by my negligance of getting the flu shot.
Education is a wonderful thing, as is strong family values. I think that both of these things will help this country continue to be a great place to live. On the other hand there is emotion and love, that can sometimes take over and neagate all the education that has been given. In my humble opinion(which is all it really is) there is no way to absouletaly control what your children are doing at every second, and if you have the chance to protect your children and the children of others, why not?
Being a current HPV infected person I know that if I was young enough I would get the vaccine. I would do many things if I was young enough :) I am not a bad person nor do feel that I am dirty or that I have been too promiscious in my life. I think that Jonni is right. The orginal post was about HPV and what a terrifying experiance it can be. I can attest to that. I have my repeat pap in 2 months. My colposcopy looked good though, I am keeping my fingers crossed that my pap will come back good. It does mean that I have to have paps every six months now...yuck!
peace,
Stacy
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt, 'This Is My Story,' 1937
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 08:34:48 AM
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I never said anythig against the orignal poster and in many of my other posts said that I feel for her greatly and what she has to go through, the vaccine was bought up and I posted on that as well. I don't appreciate being chastised for posting my opinions when others have their own as well.
I have friends with this disease and I know it can be devestating, the point of this loop is discuss health issues and the vaccine is related to this issue - like it or not the phram companies have their own agendas as well (related to $$$). And my friends readily admit that their infection was related to a promiscuous lifestyle on either their part or their partners/husbands before being in a monogamus relationship. Weather that was true for her or not the fact is that MOST people with HPV have some sexual sin in their past -- and yes I beleive it is sin -- so shoot me!
No I am not naive enough to think that my children don't know what sex is or how that works, or that my 12yo ds isn't going through hormone hell at the moment! PULEEZE! But that doesn't mean I will just let someone else "educate" them or give up talking about purity and why we want that for them --- no baggage in marriage, no std's, etc, etc,etc.
Discussing all aspects of this disease is allowed and may even be helpful to the original poster -- sorry if it frustrated you. Faith for many of us is not a Sunday thing, it affects our entire lives and all the issues related to us as well.
Blessings to the original poster and I hope you are doing well,
Holly
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
2552 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 09:31:55 AM
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Originally posted by ArmyWifey
I never said anythig against the orignal poster and in many of my other posts said that I feel for her greatly and what she has to go through, the vaccine was bought up and I posted on that as well. I don't appreciate being chastised for posting my opinions when others have their own as well.
I have friends with this disease and I know it can be devestating, the point of this loop is discuss health issues and the vaccine is related to this issue - like it or not the phram companies have their own agendas as well (related to $$$). And my friends readily admit that their infection was related to a promiscuous lifestyle on either their part or their partners/husbands before being in a monogamus relationship. Weather that was true for her or not the fact is that MOST people with HPV have some sexual sin in their past -- and yes I beleive it is sin -- so shoot me!
No I am not naive enough to think that my children don't know what sex is or how that works, or that my 12yo ds isn't going through hormone hell at the moment! PULEEZE! But that doesn't mean I will just let someone else "educate" them or give up talking about purity and why we want that for them --- no baggage in marriage, no std's, etc, etc,etc.
Discussing all aspects of this disease is allowed and may even be helpful to the original poster -- sorry if it frustrated you. Faith for many of us is not a Sunday thing, it affects our entire lives and all the issues related to us as well.
Blessings to the original poster and I hope you are doing well,
Holly
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
ITA Holly, VERY well said. It is all related and What I said, yes, is what works for my family, however, being the activist that I am, I am not going to contain information to myself and not share things that I know so others can make and informed decision instead of an assumed decision.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com
http://tasharose365.wordpress.com/
Homepage: http://mysticwoodsfarm.com |
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 09:52:12 AM
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Tasha, what strikes me personally is that you are offering "information" about something that you don't reveal any basis of fact in. What you hear, what you "find out" doesn't mean a whole lot if you don't have some sort of fact to base it on. For every negative you present (about this vaccine, or any vaccine in general), I can present a positive. There is no fact in what we "believe," only in what science has shown about these things, IMO. One can only educate themselves about an issue like this, and not rely on information passed on by others who have no background or education in the topic.
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
2552 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 10:38:31 AM
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If you would like links I can provide them. I have a very good friend who writes for a Women's Magazine and she recently did an article on the vaccine. There are TWO strains, 16 and 18, that are the strains HPV protects against. There are 13 strains that can cause cancer, there are over 100 total strains of HPV. Most people get HPV and dont even know it-or ever know it as you body clears it up on it's own. Gardasil is not going to protect women who have already had sex, because you could already have HPV. It only protects virgins.
Vaccinations are something that I care very much about. I am not just a back woods, po-dunk know nothing making assumptions based on what people tell me. I have an education and I know how to research things FOR MYSELF, so that I can make an informed and well rounded decision.
HPV has hit me personally in that my best friend has it. I see the worry she has when she has to get pap smears done more oten just to make sure she doesn't have cancer....
I believe in science, what I do not believe in, however, is that pumping our bodies full of medications that we don't know enough about is not the answer to health and wellness.
So again, if you would like the links to information (on both sides of the issue) that I have used to base my thoughts on the matter, then I will gladly provide them, however, please do not insult my intelligence by assuming that I have not done the research and consideration on my own but instead have listened to what others have said on the matter.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com
http://tasharose365.wordpress.com/
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Libbie
Farmgirl Connection Cultivator
3579 Posts
Anne E.
Elsinore
Utah
USA
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 11:41:20 AM
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I know I've said this before, but, again, I think it is sooo important to have many points of view and heartfelt suggestions to consider. The vaccine issue, and especially this one's ties to "morality" "right" and "wrong," as we all see fit to define them, make it an especially personal issue. It can be easy to let things slide...and life, being the lovely and complicated thing that it is, just isn't that simple. I thank all of you farmgirls for being able to give any information that others might find useful and helpful. I've referred also to loving how here, we are all under the shelter of "Each Other," and THAT, my farmgirl friends, is a rare and beautiful thing.
XOXO, Libbie
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:17:55 PM
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Tasha, please don't read into what I say and assume that I am saying you are backwoods, po-dunk or anything else. I am saying that you seem to be offering your opinion as fact, or what someone else has researched and told you as fact. There are many scientific points of view which support this vaccine, same as there are some which don't.
I haven't insulted your intelligence- I've just commented on how you present your information.
Having a friend with HPV still doesn't bring you as close to this issue as I am. I was diagnosed more than 15 years ago. I had "breakouts" for five years. I had wonky pap smears for 10 years. And I've been clear for 15 years. That doesn't mean much to me. This is something that hangs on for life; it doesn't "go away on its own." I have to worry about pap smears every six months still. I had to worry about it affecting my unborn children and their births. I have to worry about their futures.
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katiedid
True Blue Farmgirl
601 Posts
Kate
West Jordan
Utah
USA
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 1:20:46 PM
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Wow! What a thread!
I have some pretty serious feelings toward immunizations..(it was the MMR that most likely caused my Rheumatoid Arthritis at age 3) and I find it really upsetting that the government require girls to be vaccinated for something that is usually spread thru some sort of sexual contact. But as Tasha said, these things can be "signed off"
In Utah, if you have a religious of philosophical belief against vaxing, you can sign a waiver and your kids go to school...it is a mess, you have to have an interview with a Health Dept. nurse etc...but it is possible, and truthfully, if it were to come to something of this sort here in Utah (I doubt it will, too many mormons) this is what I will do.
Food for thought: I know of someone who was a vicitim of sexual assult, and was tested for HIV at the tender age of 11. I am sure some people get HPV from rape, or other abuse. A mandated vaccine would help victims, I guess...
I am glad to know that you strong FarmGirls all have such feeling, and such interest in these sorts of things...So many people just follow the leaders, doing as we are told. Way to go!!
Knowledge is power, I say.
No one ever really made a difference by staying still and quiet.
FarmGirls Rock,
What a boring world it would be if we all felt the same and had the same oppinions, but let's all remember that if someone "attacks" something I feel strongly about...like buying organic, it doesn't necessarily mean they are attacking me!
Love and light to you all..
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 4:22:10 PM
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This is something that hangs on for life; it doesn't "go away on its own."
Actually, speaking of basing comments in *fact*, my physician (MD/Ob-Gyn) informed me that sometimes the body does, in fact, shed the virus.
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Carolinagirl
True Blue Farmgirl
486 Posts
Kim
Rutherfordton
NC
USA
486 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 4:43:05 PM
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With all due respect, my physicians, those I've had for the last 15 years since having HPV, have told me that it doesn't go away. Getting rid of the warts doesn't necessarily get rid of the virus that causes them, and doctors can't predict whether one is "cured" or not.
My problem with this argument is that we have physicians saying two different things, two different sets of "facts" that they can make from their research on the virus. Who does one believe? One would tend to believe one's own doctor until something proves that information false. Would you physician be more right than any of mine, and with each case being different and there being more than 100 strains of this virus, would any other case be relevant to my reasoning for treatment?
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 5:23:36 PM
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| Ooh, tricky situation. I find that oftentimes listening to my body and going with my gut, so to speak, has usually helped me sort things out. Good luck to everyone dealing with what I know is a difficult and often painful situation. |
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DaisyFarm
True Blue Farmgirl
1646 Posts
Diane
Victoria
BC
Canada
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Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 6:51:36 PM
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Wow! I had done some reading and research about HPV and was going to contribute what I had read. But I think I'll just bow out as some are taking this topic and getting their backs up.
I think I'll just stand behind what Libbie said...Libbie you are so very wise.
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 9:36:54 PM
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Diane please post. That's what discussion is about ... it doesn't mean we have to agree! ;) SOme of my best friends and I don't agree on lots of things!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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Here's to Your Health: HPV |
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