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Megan
True Blue Farmgirl
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Megan
Hudson
South Dakota
USA
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 Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 12:57:11 AM
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Ok i have 2 fainting goats and one has CL i dont know what that stands for but i know it has to deal with the lymph nods, can any one help with a reason for this or any insight on helping it heal.
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grace gerber
True Blue Farmgirl
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grace
larkspur
colorado
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 09:47:18 AM
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Here is what you are looking at - Caseous Lymphadenitis - it is a chronic condition which is capable of spreading from one goat to another. It is characterised by multiple abscesses which appear in the lymph glands. All age groups can be affected but it is probably more likely to be encountered in the older age grop. The causative organism is Corynebacterium Ovis.
Clinical Signs are swellings arrear in the regional lymph nodes prediliction sites being the mandibular and parotid glands. Other ones which may become affrected are the supramammary and popliteal. Most of the cervical lymph nodes can also be affected in severe outbreaks. Rapid breathing and coughing are signs that deeper lymph nodes are affected. The incubation period is relatively long, up to four months in some cases. Abscesses which develop are referred to as cold or painess and as they mature the skin covering them becomes hairless. Maturation of abscess yields a pus which is yellowish and sometimes greenish.
There are several natural treatments if you are interested and I am sure also if a vet is contacted they would have other things to say.
Grace Gerber
Larkspur Funny Farm and Fiber Art Studio
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karla
True Blue Farmgirl
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karla
Pella
Iowa
USA
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Megan
True Blue Farmgirl
155 Posts
Megan
Hudson
South Dakota
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 1:28:42 PM
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will it help to drain the swollen areas? this is what my dad sugessted. but wanted to know more before trying anything. Will this goat be ale to be butchered?
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grace gerber
True Blue Farmgirl
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grace
larkspur
colorado
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 3:25:07 PM
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Silicea - This is a probably the most important remedy being well proven in the treatment of chronic cold abscesses. Suggested potency 200c one three times per week for four weeks.
Calcarea Fluorica - The hardness and swelling of the lymph nodes which develop during abscess formation will be aided by this remedy. Suggested potency 30c one daily for ten days.
As for draining any abscess remember that pus can be very harmfull - don't let any of it hit the ground, other animals or your hands. Always wear surgical gloves - keep infected animals away from all livestock and family pets. As for butchering - I never eat any of my animals so I can not advise. I also have never had this in my herd of goats (15 years strong) nor in any of my sheep flocks so again I do not have first hand knowledge of treating this. I was just wondering how do you know that your goat has CL - Did you purchase the animal with this???
Grace Gerber
Larkspur Funny Farm and Fiber Art Studio
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kristin sherrill
True Blue Farmgirl
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kristin
chickamauga
ga
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 4:58:57 PM
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I always heard that it's very contageous and if the abcess opens it is not a good thing. I hope this isn't CL. You should probably keep them separated if you have other goats if it's so bad. Just be careful.
Kris
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Megan
True Blue Farmgirl
155 Posts
Megan
Hudson
South Dakota
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - Aug 26 2011 : 2:09:18 PM
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the lady i got my goat from had an out break several years ago, but said she hadnt seen any signs of it since. dad says that on sheep they cut it open flush it with alchol and leave it. when it comes time to butcher to leave the lymph nods alone. where can i get these treatments at? I didnt pay much for the goat, but i kinda was hoping to fill the freezer.
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oldbittyhen
True Blue Farmgirl
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tina
quartz hill
ca
USA
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Posted - Aug 26 2011 : 4:43:36 PM
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I asked my local livestock vet and a friend who is a butcher, this is what they said, #1 your corrals/pastures/holding pens/soil could all be contaminated, and so could your other livestock, it is an extremly hard disease to get rid of, and any surfaces that the infected animals have been in/brushed against/defecated & urinated in are all contaminated, and it is really hard to sterilize all of those areas completly. The vet and the butcher both said it is illegal to slaughter for human/animal consumption any livestock that has a contagious disease, whether or not is is contagious to humans...and my personal opinion is ewwwww, no I would not eat tainted meat ...
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grace gerber
True Blue Farmgirl
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grace
larkspur
colorado
USA
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 5:06:41 PM
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I agree with never eating contaminated meat and in my mind it is.. Also, not too many butcher's I know will handle such an animal with this condition - so I guess you might be doing the butchering if you still wish to eat it... I know in Europe this would be reason to close a farm and keep animals from that farm being traveled.
I have had a closed farm for 15 years for just this reason. If you come here you are not allowed to walk amongst the animals unless you have our gear on. Your vehicle also can not come on the farm so your tires can not travel contamination onto the ground. The benefit from all this is we have not lost an animal to any illnesses other then old age and since we are holistic and organic we have not had need of a vet other then help with a c section and even then I did not let him off my driveway and he was required to wear our gear and us our instruments.
I wish you good luck with this - it will be something you will be dealing with for a long long time. I am so very sorry...
Grace Gerber
Larkspur Funny Farm and Fiber Art Studio
Where the spirits are high and the fiber is deep
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Megan
True Blue Farmgirl
155 Posts
Megan
Hudson
South Dakota
USA
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 5:13:29 PM
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we are putting this goat out of its misery, and are hoping that my nanny (who is going to kid in about a month) doesnt get it. They havent been together since i got them. so maybe i will get lucky, but it sounds like a couple sheep farms in the area got this lately. thanks for all your help
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oldbittyhen
True Blue Farmgirl
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tina
quartz hill
ca
USA
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 7:25:17 PM
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Megan , my advice is to dig a deep hole and burn the carcess in it, then cover in lime then cover back up with dirt and rocks...
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grace gerber
True Blue Farmgirl
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grace
larkspur
colorado
USA
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Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 08:29:59 AM
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Megan I am so sorry but you are doing the most responsible thing available. I would if I where you place the body in a sturdy thick plastic tub with it filled with lime. I would also incase the box with cement - that is the best way to make sure you do not contaminate the soil... Or you might wish to contact a company that will despose of the body off your farm site. I will be praying for your nanny and her unborn kid - again, I am so so sorry that you are having to go thru this.
Grace Gerber
Larkspur Funny Farm and Fiber Art Studio
Where the spirits are high and the fiber is deep
http://www.larkspurfunnyfarm.etsy.com
http://larkspurfunnyfarm.blogspot.com
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Megan
True Blue Farmgirl
155 Posts
Megan
Hudson
South Dakota
USA
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Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 09:18:58 AM
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we will be burning the body, and it will be covered. i hope for my nanny, these goats are my first and i really like them.
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wooliespinner
True Blue Farmgirl
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Linda
Manchester
Ohio
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 06:31:19 AM
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Megan it usually only spreads when the abcess opens up and gets on other animals and the soil. If she has not had one open up since she has been there then you should be okay. I know several people who have dealt with this disease. Some goats can get abcesses internally on their organs and die. We only see the ones that are on the outside. I think if you just bury her and lime the area you should be okay.
My daughter inlaw has goats that have CL and she still has them.She was too attached to put them down. The one doe who got an abcess was seperated and when the abcess was ready to burst the vet came out and lanced it out in the driveway and irigated it with iodine and put her on a course of antibiotics.Once it healed she was put back with the herd. She still has the goat and no more have popped up. Some people do away with the goat and other people just manage the disease. I personally have never had a goat with this disease and only purchase goats from herds that can prove through bloodwork they are clean.
There are so many things to try to look out for in goats. CL is one of those diseases that can't be detected visually unless they have an active abcess. Otherwise only bloodwork will show this.
Good luck and sorry your goats has CL. Hopefully the other one will be fine. Take care.
Linda
Raspberry Run Farm
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