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C.W.
True Blue Farmgirl
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Chelsea
Prosser
WA
USA
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 Posted - May 03 2009 : 07:08:00 AM
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Ha, Nikki you are not alone, better be careful girl, Janet Napolitano's new homeland security memo has labeled you a threat...along with our returning veterans.
I agree with most of you ladies in reference to gun. We too are a hunting family. I also carry a .38 when I go on long distance drives without my husband. I have a one and a two year old. We train them by placing an antique unloaded rifle within reach in the living room and then tell the boys "no touch". Now they pay it no mind and play around it. Hopefully this will minimize any fiddling or curiosity in the future
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corporatefarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
389 Posts
Tamara
Pikeville
TN
USA
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 07:20:22 AM
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I grew up hunting ~ my hubby and i did not have guns in the house with our kids ( i had a cousin that was accidentally shot and killed). THEN i changed my mind .. a lot of things kill: cars, drownings, drinking too much.. So we have guns and you know what i like having them. i like hunting, shooting for fun and knowin that we can protect ourselves. So now i need a new bumber sticker that says - DON'T MESS WITH MY GUNS, MY LAND, MY MONEY - kind of says it all when it comes to the government.
what people need to realize is that there has been a slow deteriation of individual rights for a long time. Doesn't matter who is in office the current 2 party system is just that - a system
live well,
Tamara
www.thegoodearthfarm.com
"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children" http://thegoodearthfarm.blogspot.com follow me!
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CherryMeDarlin
True Blue Farmgirl
602 Posts
Cherry
Odenville
AL
USA
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 07:57:05 AM
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We are some really smart chickies! I say we need a farmgirl in the White House! And believe you me, ya'll, Nikki is absolutely correct about Southerners and their guns. I also have a theory about this renewed talk in Washington regarding gun control. Since November, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, and Cabela's stock has come up considerably. Having seen that, the big wigs are getting nervous. They see that sales are going through the roof, so they think they need to get a handle on it. They're getting nervous up there; one man in particular. And their "aim", Nikki, is socialism. I try not to be fatalist. Ask those around me and they'll tell you that I can be disgustingly optimistic! But the US is sorely gonna regret all this dependence on China. When we can't deliver to them or try to lessen our dependence, I expect a "red tide" hitting our coast!
I also believe that many people who are for gun control and/or bans would come to feel differently if Washington is successful because it won't end there. Gun control is one of the biggest battles in Washington. If they can win that, they'll be so power-hungry and riding such a high over their accomplishment, they'll look to see what else they can do. Does that make sense?
And back to a lighter note, Teresa Sue, I absolutely LOVE the name Cherry Delight! My middle name is Dawn, not nearly as fun! But, I know that cousin of yours ran into the same stupid questions I always have! I wish I had a dollar for every time I've been asked if Cherry is my real name, if my mama was a flowerchild, or if I've ever been a stripper or in porn! (Yes, no, and hell-a no to both!) And your screen name, Contrary Wife, sometimes my granddaddy would ask me, "Cherry, Cherry, quite contrary, how does your garden grow?" 
~~Cherry~~
"A thing is as simple or as complicated as you make it." --TT Murphy |
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Bellepepper
True Blue Farmgirl
1207 Posts
Belle
Coffeyville
KS
USA
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 09:09:53 AM
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We are gun people too. Our kids were raised with guns laying all over the place. Our kids and grandkids all own guns. I'm sure they number in the 100's. Ole Ron wants to go out and buy more guns, not me. But we ARE buying ammo. The price is way up and Wal-Mart can't keep it in stock. I think what they will do first is require registration and permits. You will need your permit to purchase ammo. Since I plan letting the grandsons do the defending, I only need a lifetime supply of ammo for shooting snakes, possums, coons, skunks and dogs after my chickens. I have never actually shot a dog. All you have to do is shoot off the gun and they run like the dickens.
I have a .22 mag, a .38 hand gun and a 12 gage shotgun. I personally don't own a rifle but I can see 2 of them from where I am setting.
It is ALL about the power in D.C. And once they take away our 2nd ammendment, the rest of our rights will fall. |
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Mother Hen
True Blue Farmgirl
604 Posts
Cindy
Peck
ID
USA
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 2:05:17 PM
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I'm a gun owner, my DH bought me a hunting rifle 2 yrs ago for Christmas. I love it. I like to hunt for meat for the family. We love deer and elk!
I was raised in a household where there were always guns and they were loaded all the time. We knew never to touch them. When we were big enough we were taught gun safety. My brother and I also went to the Jaycees B-B gun education program. We learned how to shoot before we became teenagers. Through the Jaycees I made the B-B gun team to represent our county in the state competition and I was the second best shooter in the state of KY that year, still have the trophy to prove it.
I think it's important to teach children about guns and not to give our guns(or ammo) up to the government.
Every country whose guns have been outlawed, the government has followed that with mass killings of people. Look back through history, it's true. I've recently heard that in Sweden, every home is supposed to have a gun and that their crime rate has dropped significantly.
Our forefathers knew we should have guns to protect ourselves(in all ways) but they also wrote that so that we could rise up against a government that was taking too much control.
I don't want the government to do all of my thinking, acting, or providing "FOR ME". I'm quite capable of doing it for myself.
Since our current president was elected, ammunition sales have ski-rocketed. We've even been in some outdoor stores that have a picture of him hanging with a sign under it saying "Salesman of the Year".
All I know, is that it is very difficult to find ammunition anymore for your guns. The stores we've been to in NV, ID, MT, WA have lots of empty shelves and tell us they can't get any more ammunition.
It's truly a sad time in our country.
Guess I'm like a lot of 'old timers', I just want to be left alone to take care of my family. I don't want anything from the government and that includes their stimulus money(which isn't really worth the paper it's printed on anyway).
I waited and tried not to post here, because this is a sensitive topic to me. I'm sorry if I've offended any, but after all these are just my opinions for, and about, my family.
Respectfully,
Cindy
FARMGIRLS CAN DO ANYTHING!!!
I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. Psalms 34:1 |
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NikkiBeaumont
True Blue Farmgirl
473 Posts
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 6:20:06 PM
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Oh, I am so glad that I didn't get blasted for what I said! The only reason I know about the ammo shortage/price hike (because they don't report it in the news) is because we happened to go down the ammo aisle on our last trip to Academy Sports and I noticed that the price for a box of shells had skyrocketed. They cost twice as much as I remembered them being. Lovin' Man had to explain to me what is going on. I was seriously alarmed and wanted to know what we could do to stop it. He said something about voting. What!? It is too late for that. The only thing that I can think of is to join the NRA. Ha!
Funny about your name Cherry! My goodness, how could people be so insensitive to ask such questions? A stripper! I have a cousin that we call Cherry but her real name is Cheryl. And my best-friend in the first grade was Cherry, and boy, did we get into a lot of trouble together. In fact, our teacher became so exasperated with us that she actually paddled us in front of the entire class just because we were talking.
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KayB
True Blue Farmgirl
540 Posts
Kay
Del City
Oklahoma
USA
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Posted - May 04 2009 : 2:16:15 PM
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As a cop's kid and a US Army veteran, I've been around weapons all my life. I will tell you what my daddy said: "People who do legally will eventually get their weapons; however, the people who do it illegally will get them no matter what and they are the ones you need to watch". I feel that I put in 9 years of my life defending my country and what it stands for and that the Constitution guarantees I can carry a weapon. I don't feel the need at this time to have one in my hot little hands at this time, but yes, I would like own both a rifle and a hand gun. Also, what does one do with an automatic or semi automatic weapon? Those are manufactured specifically for killing a lot in a short amount of time. I don't think I would want to use an M-60 machine gun for deer hunting.
We are also having trouble with ammunition here, as Bill Maher noted on his so-called "debate" show. I want to be able to arm myself and my family as I see fit. I'm just afraid that before we know it, we will not be able to get this weapons as we either need or want them.
Also, as for mental evaluations - I had a motor sergeant who asked us every morning "Are you ready to kill someone?" He was very upset when I said not unless I really had to. So, does this defender of our country need a mental evaluation? Other than that, he was an excellent NCO, but that question every day bothered me. I believe someone who sees killing another human being as their reasonf for being needs to back up and take a strong look at themself.
There is an old saying - "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" and I truly believe that. I want my weapons for protection and when the time comes for providing food for my family.
Thanks for letting me vent.
KayB
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NikkiBeaumont
True Blue Farmgirl
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Posted - May 04 2009 : 2:38:39 PM
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Kay, you are right. We need to be able to protect our families and have a means to provide food if we have to.
I just found this article and I had to share it with y'all! Thank God that there was such an outcry and swift action was taken! Now I am off to join the NRA! Farmgirls in Montana be proud of your Senators!
Feds Lift Rule That Threatened Ammo Shortages
Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:13 PM
By: Chris Gonsalves
Gun owners concerned about growing shortages of ammunition nationwide got a bit of a reprieve this week when the Defense Department rescinded a rule requiring that spent military bullets be destroyed rather than reloaded for sale to civilians.
That rule temporarily had cut off major ammunition manufacturers from their largest supply of brass casings, used to make popular .223- and .308-caliber ammunition for the public and law enforcement.
Also hit hard under Defense’s no-sale rule were the folks at Georgia Arms, the Villa Rica, Ga., ammo dealer that is among the nation's largest supplier of reloaded military cartridges. With no used brass coming in from government liquidators in recent weeks, the company's production ground to a halt and layoffs were being discussed, according to company officials.
At a time when ammunition sales are up nationally close to 100 percent since the presidential election, Georgia Arms executives were sounding the warning that massive ammo shortages and price spikes were imminent. Local gun groups from Massachusetts to Oregon have been urging members to stockpile bullets and major retailers such as Walmart and Gander Mountain have reported shortages of some calibers, especially .223 and .308, according to published reports.
After swift and vocal outcry from legislators and gun advocacy groups such as the National Rifle Association, the military changed the rule, which had been implemented to keep sensitive military hardware from making it into the hands of liquidators and, potentially, the enemy. The rewritten edict now exempts spent ammo, meaning the casings can be resold instead of crushed for scrap.
Much of the pressure for the reversal came from Montana Democratic Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester, who wrote to Vice Adm. Alan S. Thompson of the Defense Logistics Agency pushing for reconsideration of the ammo resale ban.
"We strongly believe the reclassification of small arms casings should be immediately reversed," the senators wrote. "The destruction of fired brass is unwarranted and has far reaching implications. The use of firearms and reloading brass is part of our outdoor heritage.
"Prohibiting the sale of fired military brass would reduce the supply of ammunition, preventing individual gun owners from fully exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms."
Late Tuesday, Defense Logistics Agency spokesman Mark Cunningham responded with the answer gun owners were looking for, according to documents from the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action.
"To strengthen current controls and to mitigate future security risk, the DOD issued policy that prohibits the sale of military items through its Munitions List," Cunningham wrote. "Small arms cartridge cases are identified as a sensitive Munitions List item and were held pending review of the policy. Upon review, the Defense Logistics Agency has determined the cartridge cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for sale."
NRA officials said they were satisfied with Defense’s quick action and move to quell persistent rumors that the logistics agency’s decision was part of a larger government effort to restrict gun ownership and ammunition access.
"With ammunition currently in short supply, this was welcome news, to be sure," said Chris Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist. "It also put to rest various theories and rumors that were circulated on the Internet, concerning the reason for the suspension. In sum, a problem that could have had serious repercussions for the remanufactured ammunition industry and the countless gun owners who support it, appears to have been resolved quickly."
The news was also cause for celebration at Georgia Arms, where officials called the decision "a huge victory for common sense."
"We at Georgia Arms are proud of everyone who took the time and had the courage to stand up for our rights," said a statement on the company's Web site. "We believe that, by your outpouring of anger and dismay, you not only extended our liberty and freedoms but also took a stand for economic common sense in a time when we know our government should be trying to reduce costs at all levels rather than throwing money away for some politically correct reason or the other. Again, our hat is off to everyone who helped and thanks to God as well.
"We will roll up our sleeves and go back to work; we have .223’s and .308’s to build!"
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Mother Hen
True Blue Farmgirl
604 Posts
Cindy
Peck
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USA
604 Posts |
Posted - May 04 2009 : 8:41:37 PM
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Thanks Nikki for posting that article. I'm letting my husband know about it.
Cindy
FARMGIRLS CAN DO ANYTHING!!!
I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. Psalms 34:1 |
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NikkiBeaumont
True Blue Farmgirl
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Posted - May 05 2009 : 03:13:08 AM
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Cindy, you are right about the "stimulus" money not being worth the paper it's printed on!
Chelsea, I checked out Janet Napolitano's new homeland security memo and had no idea how this slipped my attention. She apologized for negatively profiling patriotic Americans, but what does that matter? She wrote it, she meant it, and we know that is what she thinks. People in Washington fear patriotic Americans not because we are guilty of anything. We love our country and our freedom. They are afraid of us because they are intent on frittering away our country's sovereignty and weakening the US to the point of defenselessness and we are not so stupid as to not realize it.
Plus, Lovin' Man showed me an email from a soldier who said that he was given a form that required him to register all of his guns and "ordered" to fill it out. He lives off-base, so it is none of their business what he has. They are not going to stop at simply labeling people who have solid beliefs as radicals. They are going to try to criminalize anyone who would stand up and say no to them and making a database of who has what weapons would be a good start.
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KayB
True Blue Farmgirl
540 Posts
Kay
Del City
Oklahoma
USA
540 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2009 : 09:07:17 AM
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Napolitano's article really set me off! I am a conservative veteran who believes in our sovereignty, the Constitution, etc. So is my hubby. (True, he's an ex-anchor clanker, but I love him anyway.) I have 2 sons-in-law and an ex son-in-law all overseas right now and the fact that they "should be watched" really irritates me. I think by her standards DH and I should be watched too. I feel that if you are going to treat our veterans like the enemy as you turn our enemy combantant loose in this country, then we will get fed up. I don't have any intention of ever turning on our country, but it breaks my heart how our veterans, especially these young ones, are treated. I remembered how the Vietnam-era soldiers were treated and I was just a kid. What nobody realizes is that most of these kids are just following orders and scared to death. We are also taught that if we are ordered to do something we do not believe in, we have the right to say "NO". My former father-in-law did that in 'Nam and the colonel he was under tried to court martial him. The colonel got it instead and trust me, it's really hard to court martial an officer.
I was watching my DVR recording of Glenn Beck this morning before work and he had people from Utah and Texas on there passing resolutions that as long as the weapons and ammo are intrastate, the feds have no control over them.
I'm turning into a paranoid conservative veteran. Isn't that sad? The guys up here jokingly say how they have to watch out for me because of that stupid report. Luckily I work with some good people who know me and will laugh it off, but it bothers me that someone that high up can get away with that crap.
Thanks for letting me vent.
KayB
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CherryMeDarlin
True Blue Farmgirl
602 Posts
Cherry
Odenville
AL
USA
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Posted - May 08 2009 : 09:35:49 AM
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Georgia Arms officials said it best, "a huge victory for common sense". Common sense is sorely lacking in Washington.
~~Cherry~~
"A thing is as simple or as complicated as you make it." --TT Murphy |
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C.W.
True Blue Farmgirl
101 Posts
Chelsea
Prosser
WA
USA
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Posted - May 08 2009 : 09:55:10 AM
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Kay~ I watched the Glenn Beck show yesterday also. It will be interesting how these reinstatement of states rights are received in DC. I know they just signed a similar bill into law yesterday in Montana. They plan on challenging it immediately in the court system. I believe they are trying to get a supreme court ruling as soon as possible... before Obama is given more judicial appointments. We are screwed if the Supreme Court shifts further left. I have no complaints with a judge's personal stance on political issues. The problem is the current trend of judicial activism. They are using the courts to legislate, and taking this right away from the people. Just listen to Obama speak on his qualifications for a Supreme Court nominee... he wants someone who can relate to the single mother, struggling student, ect ect. He uses the word EMPATHY as a requirement. What about constitutional knowledge??? Judicial experience??? And all this is coming from a man who taught constitutonal law in Chicago!
Ok ladies I digress....stepping off my soap box now. Have a great rest of your day.
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Tina Kay
True Blue Farmgirl
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Tina Kay
Deary
ID
USA
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Posted - May 08 2009 : 09:56:12 AM
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I do not hunt. I had a cousin shot when he was 15 yrs old after hunting. Total accident. Having said this, I think guns are OK! Most hunters are careful and take heed to things. I have been around guns very little in my life. But I do have family members that hunt and are responsible. I do not think it is a right that should be taken away when you are going by the laws. It is the people who want to do things illegally that give guns the bad name. And it is not the guns, it is the people!
If we felt it neccessary to provide protection with a gun, I would do it. We do not have one now. I have no objections to having a gun in my house, locked away from little hands.
Tina Kay
Now I get me up to work, I pray the Lord I may not shirk. If I should die before tonight, I pray the Lord my work's all right. Anon. |
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Carol
Moderator/MaryJane's Design Diva
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Carol
Moscow
Idaho
USA
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Posted - May 11 2009 : 10:14:46 AM
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Hello girls.
We have received multiple complaints about this thread and are therefore closing it to further discussion. Once again, we ask you to refrain from discussions about politics, political issues, and religion on this forum.
Thank you.
Carol
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, red wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"
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