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Across the Fence:  Flags at Half Mast for Houston? Really?  |
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melody
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Melody
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 Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 07:04:44 AM
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I am so disgusted with the Governor of New Jersey for even considering lowering "our" flag at half mast for a celebrity drug addict-Shame on Christie....
Correct me if I am wrong but I grew up in the service, my father put in over 20-years and my brother is a vet so how come protocol is being cast to the wind allowing such an honor to be bestowed upon a civilian? I thought it could only be lowered for PATRIOTS? Am I misinformed?
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batznthebelfry
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Michele
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 07:24:03 AM
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No you are right. it is a shame that the flag is lowered each time we lose a military person in iraq or Afghanistan or other areas of the world...I am saddened by this lack of what should be done...I don't think other than a President or Vice President the flag should be lowered unless a military personal has died...but then I don't make the rules...but those who fight for the flag should be the ones honored by the lowering of the flag....Michele'
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MEWolf
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Margaret
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 07:49:00 AM
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Yup, I am pretty disgusted too. I find it very surprising that a conservative politician who had considered running for President would do something so thoughtless as this.
It is shameful.
Margaret
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Calicogirl
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Sharon
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oldbittyhen
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tina
quartz hill
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 08:17:57 AM
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and the results of her autopsy have not come in yet, so I will not "KNOW" what caused her death until then...if the media announced every death from drugs, everyday in this country, that would be all they talked about..even if that is what she died from, that does not make her evil, addictions are "HELL", and unless you have been in her shoes, you can not fully understand...
as far as the flag being lowered to half-mast, it may not have been proper, but I understand the reason...
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StrawHouseRanch
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Paula
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 09:11:02 AM
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The priorities of people in power seem very way out-of-wack lately.
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heritagehunter
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Julie
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 12:05:40 PM
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Prairie Gypsy
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Tammy
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 3:06:07 PM
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It's rare that a flag is lowered for a soldier that has died fighting for our country. There was no dignity in her death. That he is lowering our country's flag for an alcoholic drug addict makes me furious!
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fille de ferme
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Madeline
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 3:32:45 PM
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Hi :) I am glad to see I am not the only one to think that lowering the flag for a celebrity is so wrong. Especially a drug addicted one at that. Will there be protesters, spitting on her casket as well, or is that just reserved for our soldiers ? All I can say is shame on those who are breaking protocol !!!!!
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jan49829
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Janet
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prariehawk
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 5:02:26 PM
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I think it's inappropriate to lower the flag for a celebrity, but as for her being drug-addicted, "judge not lest ye be judged". I believe Jesus said that.
Cindy
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oldbittyhen
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tina
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 5:08:32 PM
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just so you all know, my late husband fought in Nam, my youngest son did 2 tours in Iraq, and yes they and all military should be honored for their selfless acts, but, the flag at 1/2 mast is for policemen/fireman who have died in the line of duty, for Presidents, current and former, and all sorts of differant people for differant reasons. Here where I live, our flags have been at 1/2 mast more times than I want to remember for young men that lived here, and joined the military and died protecting our freedoms...it is a crying shame that a women who "had" a beautiful voice, got mixed up in the life she lived, and probaly died because of it, whether being high, or the damage that her body got due to the drugs, I don't know. I hope she was sober, as many said she has been since 2009, but either way, the "only" one who can judge her is God, not any of us. As far as the Govenor is concerned, I hope in his mind, he did what he did for the right reasons, even if it was wrong...I will not speak ill of the dead, I never walked in her shoes, and not many people have, may she rest in peace...
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DollyDoodles
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Emma
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 5:25:06 PM
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That is sure a slap in the face to our military and others that serve our country.
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tangledthreads
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 5:37:24 PM
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I can't see this from a military stand point as I don't have any family in the service right now but I think Whitney certainly was an amazing talent that leaves a beautiful legacy of music. I know there are many brides who have precious memories of dancing their first dance to her music. I think maybe he wanted to honor what her music has meant to many of us.
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edlund33
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Marilyn
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Posted - Feb 17 2012 : 6:45:36 PM
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Well stated, tangledthreads!
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 05:31:25 AM
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I don't think it is right to lower the flags for celebrities. I think our media and the younger generations idolize celebrities way too much. I think the flag should be lowered for fallen military who died defending our freedoms. My DH and SIL are both active duty and have served 5 tours between them in combat. If either of them had made the ultimate sacrifice, I sure hope the flags in our State or local community would be at half mast.
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 05:37:46 AM
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Even if one does not have family in the military, just look around at all your freedom and rights because someone's husband, son, daughter, wife, brother, sister died so we can have these rights. Not because someone died who could sing. Every American benefits from the military, and certain privileges should be reserved for the military men and women. Not for some one who can sing. Shame on you Govenor
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prayin granny
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 06:11:05 AM
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Thank you Tina and Cindy!!!!
Regardless of the views on the flag issue? Why is it always easy to judge others?
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rough start farmgirl
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marianne
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 1:30:20 PM
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I can understand everyone's outrage. But, I think the Governor said it was the State flag that would be at half-mast. And I think he had the backing of a lot of New Jersey residents. I don't think the US flag was involved. Many people don't agree that even the State flag should be lowered. In this case, I think it's New Jersey's argument not mine, since I live in WA.
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 3:00:56 PM
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Originally posted by oldbittyhen
just so you all know, my late husband fought in Nam, my youngest son did 2 tours in Iraq, and yes they and all military should be honored for their selfless acts, but, the flag at 1/2 mast is for policemen/fireman who have died in the line of duty, for Presidents, current and former, and all sorts of differant people for differant reasons. Here where I live, our flags have been at 1/2 mast more times than I want to remember for young men that lived here, and joined the military and died protecting our freedoms...it is a crying shame that a women who "had" a beautiful voice, got mixed up in the life she lived, and probaly died because of it, whether being high, or the damage that her body got due to the drugs, I don't know. I hope she was sober, as many said she has been since 2009, but either way, the "only" one who can judge her is God, not any of us. As far as the Govenor is concerned, I hope in his mind, he did what he did for the right reasons, even if it was wrong...I will not speak ill of the dead, I never walked in her shoes, and not many people have, may she rest in peace...
"Knowlege is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad"
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Annab
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 4:09:08 PM
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She was also a Jersey native, so I can see this.
For the US flag? No way in !@#$! Reserve that one for those who fight and serve for our country for crying out loud!
I didn't hear which flag it was.
She had a golden voice and indeed did a world of respect for the National Anthem.. that's for sure!!!!
This is purely opinion here , but I rank her voice up there with the likes of Freddy Mercury, Barbera Strisand, (sp) and Judy Garland.
I agree though too, the likes of drug abusing celebrities shouldn't be elevated to such levels.
I am still in shock over the death of Michael Jackson. I grew up listening to all his stuff and the Jackson 5. Boy what I wouldn't give to instantly download all kinds of his music to my IPOD, but knowing his questionable ethics- be they true or not, ....I cannot knowing that someone else in that family will now squander his fortune. Same with Whitney's too. So based on that and crappy Bobby Brown trying to get his hands on her fortune. I won't download any more Witney. Pity for her daughter until she is 18 |
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Dorinda
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 6:51:54 PM
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Okay question? Do you think they did that because she was the last person whom sang the national anthem and it was so good that it climbed all the way to number 20 on the charts. So she was the last person to ever put the song back out there for people to hear and buy? Hum did I explain that right? Anyways do you think that is why they lowered the flag?
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melody
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Melody
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 6:59:21 PM
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Prayin Granny....I was not directly or indirectly implying any kind of judgement regarding drug addicts. And to clarify...I have had several very close people in my life deal with drug addiction and alcohol addiction. I am no stranger to what that does to people; both young and old... and what it also does to people who love them. As the bible says He who has not sinned cast the first stone...that's not the issue here. My question is based solely on PROTOCOL regarding flags at half mast.
Melody
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prayin granny
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Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 10:01:46 PM
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Melody ,
Sent an email to you thru the forum
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Posted - Feb 19 2012 : 12:22:36 AM
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Hi girls -
I had posted last night, but when going in to edit my post, I deleted it instead (a regular occurence when I'm too tired and shouldn't be at the computer) - sorry.
Here is an informative site concerning flag protocol: http://www.gettysburgflag.com/flyflaghalfmast.php
I think that the Governor was well-meaning but misguided to say the least. I believe his decision was made to honor of Ms. Houston for her incredibly moving and inspirational singing of the National Anthem at Superbowl XXV. National pride welled in the breasts of all who watched as she brought down the house. I'll never forget it - ever. She was simply amazing.
Having said that, I don't know whether flying a state flag falls under the same protocols as that of flying a national flag, but I do feel that there are so many other appropriate ways that the Governor could have chosen to honor Ms. Houston. Flying a flag at half-mast is usually reserved for the military or a statesman or a fallen police officer or fireman or a community leader, such as Martin Luther King, Jr. Although Ms. Houston did inspire through her music and contribute through her philanthropic endeavors, she did not give her life for this country or her community, nor did she dedicate her life to the service of others. I do understand why the Governor's decision has upset and offended so many. Flying the flag at half-mast is definitely an honor that should be reserved for those who serve and who have made enormous personal sacrifices for their community and country. Governor Christie really should have better served by choosing an alternate way of honoring Ms. Houston for her contributions.
At this point, what she was into or how this happened is immaterial. I'm sure we all are well aware that none of us are beyond reproach in this life, and all of us would want to be remembered for the love that poured forth from our hearts. This incredibly talented woman is gone and the people who loved her are suffering. Each of us has lost someone important - someone who, to us, at least, is larger than life; so surely we can all imagine the unbearable pain her loved ones are experiencing. With deepest sympathy and heartfelt compassion my prayers truly go out to them.
Nini
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