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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 06 2012 : 07:56:25 AM
http://kris-outbackfarm.blogspot.com/2012/09/barber-pole-worms-in-sheep.html
I was wondering if anyone else is having such a hard time with these things in their sheep and what are you doing about it? I need all the help I can get right now.
Also wondering if there is a natural predator that will attack and kill the larva?
Kris
Happiness is simple.
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| Alee |
Posted - Sep 24 2012 : 12:51:28 PM
That IS good news! I am so glad the Red Cell is working!
Alee
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| kysheeplady |
Posted - Sep 24 2012 : 10:43:26 AM
Okay Kris,
I will go take the photos now ... message me with your e mail addy so I can send them off direct to you.
Teri
"There are black sheep in every flock"
White Sheep Farm
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 24 2012 : 10:25:48 AM
Took Adelaide back to the vet this morning and her red blood cell count is at 24%!! Up from 9% 2 weeks ago! So that's some really good news. He said he'd like to see it at least to 30% soon. And he wants to do another fecal before I think about any worming again. Which I hope will eb a long time away. I'm having the pastures mowed then I'll let them rest a week. Then start thinking about breeding soon!
Teri, I would love to see a picture of your catch pen. Thanks.
Kris
Happiness is simple.
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| kysheeplady |
Posted - Sep 12 2012 : 3:00:55 PM
Kris,
Any time they come up lame I pen them and check it out ... most ti,e a rock is in the hooves. If you want I will take photos of how my catch pen works ... You moight be able to make a make shift one for now. The object is to make their space as small as they are. Really does help so much.
Teri
"There are black sheep in every flock"
White Sheep Farm
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| Alee |
Posted - Sep 12 2012 : 11:19:02 AM
When we had to give shots at the vet to pigs and such that did not like getting caught- we would rope them in front and the person giving the shot would let the animal back up right to them and give them the shot. Another thing you could do is ask the vet if the b complex can be squirted on the food as well. I take b complex vitamins and I absorb it very well that way- maybe your animals would too? I know they make an oral paste for horses.
Alee
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 12 2012 : 08:19:18 AM
Adalaide seems to be ok this morning. She's walking on her foot now. Could have been a stress fracture maybe? And I mixed 8 oz of the Red Cell in with their feed this morning. The 2 little does are in with them so put some for them too. They ate every bit. At first they just sniffed but then they ate it all. So I think this is the way we will go with the Red Cell. It's just too stressful and crazy trying to catch eack one. Until I can get a catch pen made anyway.
I moved the rams over next door and let the ewes in the front pasture. They had eaten down the other area real fast. So I really need to make sections so they aren't all over the place and stay in one area at a time for a few days.
Kris
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 11 2012 : 4:55:34 PM
I know, Teri. I am too old to get hurt. And I need to be all in one piece so I can do all this work around here.
I was outside with the sheep just now and y'all, Adaliade has broken her back right ankle. It is broken. I bet it must have happened this morning in all the mass confusion in the stall. I feel horrible. Now there is no way that I am doing all that again with her in there. She is putting a little weight on it but I can tell it's bending when she walks. It might heal on it's own or I can try to put a brace on it. But With all that poor baby has been through the past few days, I think I should wait a bit. Any suggestions for this one now? I have had a goat kid break a leg last year. I had to get it set and casted and keep her put up to keep it dry. That was a pure old head ache. Or should I just leave her alone and see if it heals back on it's own? I am trying to be as calm as possible around her to keep her from bolting.
Good grief! There is always something around here.
Kris
Happiness is simple.
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| kysheeplady |
Posted - Sep 11 2012 : 2:33:13 PM
Hi Kris,
oh yeah been there done that ... and at 57 I'm just a bit to old to be knocked to the ground.
Hubby built me a catch pen and it works great! You might be able to do the same thing.How it work is that the gates wrk to bring them in to a small area. By small I me dog crate size! My vet loves it. Your gate has to swing in not out. If it swings in, you can use the gate to push them behind it. and keep them there. As for the opening where you gate was, maybe you could use a piece of goat fencing.
It is not easy! But, just be careful, I fracture the bone under my knee ... and I can't afford any more body damage! Thats why hubby built that for me.
Good luck!
Teri
"There are black sheep in every flock"
White Sheep Farm
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 11 2012 : 2:19:04 PM
Linda, you are so smart. I did put on one of my husbands long sleeve Harley shirts this morning. It helped!
But I wish I had some armor. And a helmet and gloves and a pillow to land on when I was knocked on my back by one of the sheep. There has got to be a better way to give a sheep meds. I have a 10x10 stall with a door. I feed them in there. So when I need to do something, they are in a small area. And it's supposed to be easier to catch them. Well, NOT! I had gotten all the syringes ready with the B complex shots. Had all the names written down in a notebook. Had my daughter standing outside ready to hand me what I needed when I caught one. She did great! Then after each sheep was done, I'd let that one out. Then I was down to 3 ewe lambs. I forgot the last few are the hardest to catch because there is more room to run away from me. So I left those 3 in. I was thrown on my back by one of the bigger sheep. Almost broke a leg with a smaller ewe. Almost whacked my hands against the wall several times. I feel like I have been tackled by a professional football team right now. I am SORE and TIRED! I do not want to do this for 13 more days! There has to be a better way.
So tomorrow I will take 8 oz. of the Red Cell and mix it in their feed. I read that on the bottle. I'll go ahead and fix all their feed bowls and then let them inside the stall. I'll give them the shot of B Complex every 3 days. I can't even think about having to go through this again right now. The rams were a little easier but still like trying to get on a wild bull in a rodeo.
But they all seem to be doing a little better. And the goats too. But this ain't fun at all. I sure do need a catch pen with a head gate if I will be doing this a lot. I'll talk to my carpenter friends about making one. That would be so nice to have.
Kris
Happiness is simple.
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| wooliespinner |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 8:02:29 PM
I think there is 128 oz. in a gallon. If its not too hot where you are put a long sleeve lightweight shirt on before you handle those ewes again. Hopefully your arms won't break out quite so bad. I know sheep can be quite hard to give meds to. I had wool sheep for 14 years and they wore me out. I had a few that were tame and were not to bad but the shetlands were the hardest. Good look kristin and keep your chin up. You'll get through this and they should start improving each day.Take care.
Linda
Raspberry Run Farm
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 6:22:29 PM
Lindsey, forgot to say the vet said to give them B Complex too. I have some of that. I was going to give Adaliade a shot of that last night but didn't. I'm kind of glad now so we could see what was going on. I have given all the rams both things this afternoon. And Darla, the pig ewe. Gave Adalaide the Red Cell but not the shot yet. I will start in the morning with all the sheep in the stall. My daughter is here awhile so she is going to write down names in a book so I can keep track of who got theirs already and how much.
I am going to give the goats this treatment too. I am wondering now if this is why Adabelle is so lethargic most of the time and so slow. She almost falls asleep in the stanchion. So gave all the does theirs tonight.
I am not looking forward to 2 weeks of this. Goats aren't so bad. These sheep are not easy to deal with when they know something's up. So wish me luck.
If anyone is good at math, I have 11 sheeo and 9 goats. That's 20 animals that will need 1 oz. each per day for 14 days. That's 280 oz. So how many oz. in a gallon? I think I will need another gallon. It was only $17 at the co-op. Not too awful bad. And the vet gave me a big huge drench typw syringe. I smell like Red Cell right now. I need a shower.
Plus I am so allergic to the animals. My arms are all broke out for when I have my arms around their necks holding them. I mean big welts. And itchy too. And I am sneezing so hard I almost wet my pants. I hate that. So I think I need some allergy meds.
Teri, I know that Lucinda and Abraham, the 2 darkest sheep, liked the cool weather more. They would just sit in the shade all day when it was so hot. I felt so bad for them. So I don't want any more dark sheep. The white sheep can handle it better.
Linda, thanks for telling me about the Valbazen and pregnacy. I am going to wait til I know they are good and healthy before I even think about breeding this fall. I might have to wait til November. I want them well. I just hope the rams don't get any ideas about jumping the fence. They are in the same area but there's a fence between them. I need to call for an appointment with the butcher soon.
Kris
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| wooliespinner |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 4:43:16 PM
Kris I hope things get better. Sounds like your on the right track. Red cell really builds up the blood supply pretty quick. I fought baber pole over the years. They are the worst worm to deal with. I gave ivomec inject. every 10 days. When they first started I gave it to them 3 days straight. If you use the Valbazen make sure you don't use it once they are bred. Call me if you need or want to I am here for you. Hugs to you friend. 
Linda
Raspberry Run Farm
Nubian Dairy Goats |
| kysheeplady |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 12:00:10 PM
Well Kris,
It is all a learning process ... Like I said ... no matter what anyone says, rotate, rotate rotate and cut.
I'm glad that you found out that they were low, now you can be proactive on that. And glad to hear the lambs are doing better.
As a shepherdess I always love the winter and cold months the best! They are the least stressful for sheep.
Take good care of them lambs, and keep us updated.
Teri
"There are black sheep in every flock"
White Sheep Farm
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| .Linz. |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 10:54:28 AM
Oh, Kris, so sorry you lost your girl! :( (((HUGS)))
Red Cell is good stuff and should really help with the anemia. It probably wouldn't hurt to give them some fortified B complex and some probiotics, too.
Hope things get better for you soon!
"Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds." - Prov. 27:23 |
| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 09:51:13 AM
I just got back from the vet. They took blood and a fecal sample. Ran those. He came in and said they only saw 2 worm larva. But he said her red blood count was 9 out of a 35. Really low. And if she is that low the rest more than likely are low. So he said to give all of them 1 oz of Red Cell every day for 2 weeks. Then bring her back in for another blood test to see if this is helping. He said other than a blood transfusion, he didn't know what else to do besides the Red Cell. So went to the co op and they had a gallon size for only $17. He had given me a big huge syringe to use. I will also give them kale to eat if they will. That's high iron and good stuff. I wish my spinach would grow so they could have some of that too.
I will also give this to the goats. I'm sure they are low as well. It can only help.
I'm so glad I went to the vet. He also said that since we are keeping the pasture mowed, the worms should be dead. Or the larvae. So I will keep the sheep off that pasture for these next 2 weeks while I am giving them the red cell. Then put them back over there after it's mowed again. They just can't keep up with the growth. And hopefully they will improve and by next month will be ready to breed. I want to make sure they are healthy and have a better immune system before I start the breeding. I may even wait til November just to make sure.
Last night before going to bed, I went out and checked on the 2 lambs. Adalaide's whole head was huge. So I went back and got some Ivomec and gave her more of that. I thought for sure she's be dead this morning. But her and Anabelle just had a little tiny puffiness under their jaws. I was so happy to see that. So no more worm meds for awhile. I'll just be rotating every 3 weeks. I'll have the ram pasture soon too so more room then. I'm going to make an appointment for them at the butcher soon.
So thank you all again for the prayers and nice comments. I know we've all gone through times like this and it's never easy. Now I know I could have saves Lucinda if I had gone to the vet sooner. Just one of those "live and learn" situations. Next time, I go to the vet.
Alee, the girl at the co op gives the Red Cell to her horses several times a year and right before the foal. She has big horses.
Lorena, I do that when I buy new animals. Just have to be careful. The 2 new lambs came from the same place I got Lucinda and Darla. I've gotten 4 ewes from her.
Kris
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| Alee |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 06:47:34 AM
I don't suppose there is anyway to let the infected pasture rest for a year? I know that is probably very unlikely but that is the only other thing I could see that was not indicated by what you were discussing you were already doing.
Alee
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| Alee |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 06:43:11 AM
Kris- I know you take great care of your animals- you can see how healthy and loved they are in your pictures. Don't beat yourself up about it. It happenes. I hope you get the barber poles under control for your herd. What a devestating creature! *hugs*
Alee
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| queenmushroom |
Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 02:43:02 AM
Sorry about your loss.
Another piece of advice regarding purchasing livestock, before introducing new animals to your herd, always quarrenteen them for at a minimum of 2 weeks. During those. 2 weeks get a complete physical on them
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| nubidane |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 7:01:05 PM
Kris, I have been lucky enough to not have barber pole, but I know how devastating it can be. We are not judging; we are your friends. Hang in there. Praying for you & your furries! |
| SandraM |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 6:46:50 PM
I am sorry for your loss.
We have lost ewes over the years and it is never easy.
Please don't beat yourself up. Raising livestock is not always easy and there will be losses, with or without a vet.
You did your best to pull her through.
I hope that your lambs make it!
Sandra
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| kysheeplady |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 6:02:13 PM
oh Kris,
I'm so sorry, I will say a little sheep prayer for you babies. I do so hope they make it through the night. So so sorry. Please let me know.
Teri
"There are black sheep in every flock"
White Sheep Farm
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 5:52:32 PM
http://kris-outbackfarm.blogspot.com/2012/09/sad-news-this-morning.html
I thought a long time before I posted this blog post here. I will know more in a few days. My 2 ewe lambs need prayer right now that they will make it through the night. I am going to move them all next door in the morning so it will be easier to catch them in the stall when the vet comes to check them all.
Thank you all for your good thoughts and advice. I do not need to be told to call a vet right now because I will be. I wish I had done this last week but really thought I could pull her out of it again. But I guess she was just too weak from having gone through this a few too many times already. Her body just couldn't take any more. I know I am not a vet. I don't know much. But I know what's worked before and I try that. It just didn't work this time. This is the first animal I have had to die. And it hurts really bad. So please go easy on me. I can't take too much more. I just want others to know how serious this is and how deadly if left untreated.
Kris
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| queenmushroom |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 04:56:13 AM
Covering and placed in a machine that amounts to a pressure cooker and heated above the boiling point to kill off bacteria, viruses, spores, and molds. Sanitizing is taking a chemical, like bleach, and.wipe down nonpouroused .surfaces. . Most farm supply places have some kind of plastic boot covering if you are worried about guests bringing in something from another farm.
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| queenmushroom |
Posted - Sep 09 2012 : 04:46:40 AM
Sorry to hear about the paracite problems. Have your vet get your sheep on a deworming rotation. Paracites can become immune to dewormers. Depending on the time of year there can be a different.
paracite issue. Some paracites will not respond to certain dewormers. I'd also like to clarify the difference between sterilize and sanitize. When something is sterilized, it has been wrapped in some kind of
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| SandraM |
Posted - Sep 08 2012 : 4:38:21 PM
We had troubles with our goats over the winter.
It can be very frustrating. I was feeling the same way you are.
We finally wormed them waited 10 days wormed them waited 10 days and wormed them again.
We have not had any problems after that.
We do give probiotic as well just to help their rumen with all the meds.
I have not used Valbazen but it is suppose to work really well.
If you have been using it on your sheep for a while they may be building up resistance.
Sandra
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