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| brightmeadow |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 08:28:10 AM
Have any of you girls made up your mind about House Bill 875http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875?
It seeks to consolidate various government programs that are charged with food safety under one office - and requires additional reporting for producers.
Argument for the bill is that it addresses problems like the Peanut scare, the lettuce contamination, the tomato controversy and other food safety problems that occured in the last year.
Arguments against the bill seem to be under two general categories:
1. Less government is always better
2. It will drive small producers (i.e. farm marketers) out of business because of increased costs of compliance
What do you think?
You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands - You shall be happy and it shall be well with you. -Psalm 128.2
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| 24 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Annab |
Posted - May 21 2009 : 03:22:40 AM
This just tipifies our ever increasing slide toward communism.
Pretty soon, what WON'T the govermnent be controlling? It's already happening to some of the automakers and banks. |
| Thistle Cove Farm |
Posted - May 19 2009 : 5:51:25 PM
The word 'globalization' always frightens the socks off me. More government always frightens the socks off me.
What ever happened to the simple approach? Put better facilities - bath and hand washing stations - where ag workers need it...on the farms.
The answer - because it won't produce more government jobs that don't produce anything except someone keeping tracks on the rest of us. It's cheaper and God knows we can't have that - not as long as there's a taxpayer still alive.
"The goal of this bill is to create a new federal bureaucracy"...ain't it always?
Sandra @ Thistle Cove Farm ~ God's blessings on you, yours and the work of your hands & heart ~
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| Annab |
Posted - May 19 2009 : 03:56:12 AM
Has any of this been in the national news?
I see this issue the same as if guns were to outlawed.
There are too many back woods areas for big government to stamp out every single one. My little operation included.
I sell eggs and jams and jellies.
I'm not seeing where we the little man will be forced out.
Is this really more regulations for the bigger companies since they ship all over the U S and can reach more people? Which ultimately would mean even higher prices I fear
So, can someone clairify specifically where in the bill it says the small town farmer will be forced out or forced to comply?
I can't find it
I see that regulations are needed if we sell something on a larger scale that is consumed. i.e. tax i.d. numbers, vendors lisences ect.... This is govermnent's way of getting their cut too. Like an alcohol tax on hard liquor. And is why it is illegal to sell it bootlegged.
NO tax=no $$ for big brother
oh phooey is what I say
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| AlyssaMarie |
Posted - May 13 2009 : 09:54:32 AM
I recently watched that documentary "The Future of Food". I can't say it totally made my day, however it did leave me more determined to provide as much food for my family on our farm rather than from the grocery store. It made me thankful that we've started on the journey of producing our own food. This current bill does concern us as we are going to start the sales aspect of our farm this fall. I'm honestly so new to all of this, I'm not sure where to focus my concern, so we've just been moving forward and having faith.
AlyssaMarie @ Link'd Hearts Ranch
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| Wendi H |
Posted - May 06 2009 : 10:11:14 PM
This bill is very concerning - if the government can't track their TARP expenditures, how are they capable of montoring something so large as FOOD?
Ok, now off of my soapbox, I have a question for the forum about food sources - it was recommended to me to watch a documentary called "The Future of Food". I have not yet watched it, something along those same lines of not wanting to ruin my day, but want to know if anyone has watched it & their thoughts.
Thanks, gang!
Can't wait to see you all at BBB/Farm Fair 2009!!! |
| palmettogirl |
Posted - May 05 2009 : 06:17:35 AM
i agree that this is scarey.....does anyone remember ronald reagan saying the most feared words are "i'm from the government and i'm hear to help"! it just seems that when honest, down-to-earth people are just trying to move ahead with their own lives,....eat what and how they want to eat, live by basic common sence, basically take care of themselves, we are able to take that one step forward but get pushed two steps back. i hate to watch the news any more it makes me so disgusted. |
| corporatefarmgirl |
Posted - May 03 2009 : 06:54:28 AM
I so agree with you ladies.. The problem with the bill is what is NOT in it. The bill is so broadly written that they can close down small farms that do now have the finances to meet the new standards. Maybe it is not there intention to do that but the problem is they could if they wanted to.
There is a couple of examples already out there...
1. Many farmers markets now require food vendors to have license and be certified ~ so if you sell canned jellys, jams, veggies, make pies or anything else you must have a food handlers license and be certified. WHY because the health department found a loop hole in the laws that allow them to go after the farmer's markets and way for states to get more revenue. The days of the markets will be numbered.
2. The FDA CFR 111 ~ which by June of 2010 requires anyone who makes or sales herbal products for consumption or placement on the human body, and has less than 20 employees ( including yourself) to be registered as an FDA Manufacturer and meet all FDA guidelines. This bill means if you make herbal teas, tinctures, salves you must be registered and licensed as an FDA facility, IF you make any claims ( salve can heal hands, a tea to help with sleep or one for tummy aches, how about a tincture for healing the skin?) This bill passed 2 years ago and has been slowly put into place. I call it a modern day witch hunt. This new bill puts all herbs in the hands of BIG manufacturing. Pretty Scary
live well,
Tamara
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| Aunt Jenny |
Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:38:32 PM
One word....YIKES!!
Jenny in Utah
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| heartgirl |
Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:43:56 PM
Please be AWARE that the people behind the bill are companies such as Monsanto and ADM. Yikes, no good intentions there. But don't be scared be aware and make the difference. Pick Up Your Pitchforks girls !!!!!!! :) Dig, grow and save seeds for the future. Keep sending the letters and be heard!!!!!!!! It still is WE THE PEOPLE and WE ARE THE PEOPLE :)
Heather
LoveChics of Loveland Colorado
Farmgirl #550
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| nubidane |
Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 4:01:43 PM
HA!! I find this so political.. I too am opposed & have contacted anyone I know. My aunties hubby emailed Sherrod Brown( a backer of the bill) & he assured him that this bill would not have any ill effect on growers.
What a joke! |
| daylily |
Posted - Apr 08 2009 : 3:36:18 PM
Here's the response I got from California Congressman Tom McClintock:
"March 31, 2009
Dear Christine,
Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about H.R. 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009.
The goal of this bill is to create a new federal bureaucracy - the Food Safety Administration. Furthermore, this bill would enact strict new mandates on food growers and sellers.
Like you, I am opposed to any regulations that would infringe on the rights of individuals to grow and buy the food they choose. You can count on me to vigorously defend those rights.
I appreciate you taking the time to contact me about this matter, and I invite you to do so in the future about this or any other issue of concern to you.
Sincerely,
Tom"
Chris
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| Bellepepper |
Posted - Apr 01 2009 : 3:08:02 PM
I don't see where it says we can't GIVE our produce away. We'll just have to drive furthur to find it if there are no farmers markets. Those of us that sell at the farmers markets can let people know that we have produce Free if you want to pick it. Oh, excuse me, did you drop this $5 bill? No? Umm must be mine. I'm all the time finding money in the shop beside the refrigerator that has the eggs in it.
There arn't enough law enforcement, or courts to control backyard gardens.
The lawyers are going to be too busy sueing people on the behalf of animals. Have you heard that one? Look out, we are in for a rough ride! |
| KayB |
Posted - Apr 01 2009 : 1:06:10 PM
I know better than contact my reps. I contacted them a couple of years ago about women in the military and got a "don't worry your pretty head honey" type of response. I don't see how they can enforce it. However, I heard yesterday on the radio how a lady got a questionnaire from our local electrical company asking about how many refrigers, tvs, etc., she had. She wrote "none of your damn business" and sent it back to them. The government is really starting to scare me.
Life's a dance you learn as you go |
| Alee |
Posted - Apr 01 2009 : 07:57:48 AM
Rene- I couldn't agree with you more! Have you noticed how many Yogurt companies are pushing the fact that their product as "Live and active enzymes and cultures"? I think our bodies are already starting to have problems digesting this stuff that is called "Food" (as opposed to REAL food that is nourishing and has the enzymes and such in it still)
I was speaking with a nutritionist a couple of years ago and she told me that they rate foods based on their life-force. Their ability to sustain your life with their and how "alive" the food was. The scale went from I think 10-0 with 10 being something that you went out into your garden, plucked from the stem, or stalk and ate right then and there- no time lapse. The tomato didn't even realize it was picked yet type of thing- all the way down to 0 which would the the highly processed, irradiated and generally destroyed food that clogs the aisles of the local supermarkets.
Alee
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| ruralfarmgirl |
Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 8:59:55 PM
Melody,
Thanks for posting your Rep's letter. I cant help but think, when I read it, how much of the conversation that "they" seem to miss. While they talk about food saftey, and I agree that we all want that, I also think that back when my grandparents and great grandparents were coming up they ate and prepared foods that were naturally fermented. Things like sourcrout, kifer, yogart, raw milk,sourdough bread ( like what MaryJane has been trying to teach us to do over on the breadthemaryjaneway thread. We have turned into a nation that 1) no longer eats "real food" but rather fast food and processed, we depend on pasterization and irradiation, sterilzation all that while do kill bad bacteria.... also kill good bacteria... which our bodies need.... At some point even when eating raw foods we will be eating "dead food" as all the processes above kill enzymes which again our bodies need. There is only one way to my way of thinking that makes any sense and that is sustainable agriculture, connecting with the producer to insure they are growing the way we want it grown...
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
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| melody |
Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 7:15:46 PM
Misty,
How on God's Green Earth will they be able to enforce and regulate this? Food police??
It's wrong.
Melody |
| kmbrown |
Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 6:20:06 PM
I'm afraid that your right Melody. I really look for them to shut down roadside stands and farmers markets. I think it will get to the point that if you are not an FDA certified food corp. you will not be allowed to sell food. I think it's pathetic and violates the very basic freedoms our country was founded on.
I'm not going to get into a big argument....but look through history at what has happened when a government takes over the banks and food of a land. Beware ladies. We are facing very very rough days. |
| melody |
Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 5:52:53 PM
I recieved this from our Rep Bart Stupak just this morning.....
Dear Ms Neece:
Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act. I appreciated hearing from you on this issue.
On February 4, 2009, Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro introduced H.R. 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act. H.R. 875 would establish a Food Safety Administration headed by an expert in food safety within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). By separating food safety regulation from drug and device approvals, the bill would allow food safety experts and researchers to focus on food safety. H.R. 875 would also provide the Food Safety Administration with the regulatory tools to access important records, recall products, and penalize companies for knowingly selling tainted products.
The Food Safety Modernization Act would address current weaknesses in the system by requiring traceability, requiring food companies to take preventive measures, mandating regular inspections, and demanding that imported food meet our safety standards.
Recent cases of salmonella in peanut butter, botulism in baby food, and e.coli in spinach are all signs of a disturbing trend. However, this is not merely a health issue; it is an issue of national security. Imported food could be tainted with biological or chemical agents before entering the United States or toxins could be introduced at a domestic food processing plant. By the time anyone begins to feel the effects of these toxins, this food could have reached thousands of people across the country, resulting in serious illness and even death.
While the number of cases of food borne illness has more than doubled in the last five years, the past Administration drastically reduced the resources for addressing food safety issues. The budget for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition has been cut from $48 million to $25 million in just three years. Also, annual inspections of domestic food processing plants dropped 25 percent since 2005.
On January 28, 2009, I introduced the Food and Drug Administration Globalization Act of 2009 along with Congressman John Dingell and Congressman Frank Pallone This legislation is a critical step toward equipping the FDA with the regulations and needed to safeguard Americans in the global marketplace for food, drugs, devices, and cosmetics.
The Food and Drug Administration Globalization Act would guarantee FDA the funding to significantly increase inspections of food facilities and improve outdated information systems. The legislation requires food producers to have preventive food safety plans and subject the plans to FDA inspection, requires food imports to meet all US standards, closes the loopholes in FDA's ability to trace the source of contaminated products, and imposes stiff penalties on companies that violate safety standards.
Whether we are talking about the Food Safety Modernization Act or my legislation, Congress is not intending to stop individuals from growing food for their own consumption. In addition, my legislation includes specific language that exempts small businesses from paying the registration fee.
It is my hope that Congress will act quickly on food safety legislation. Congress faces an ambitious agenda in the coming months, but the more than 500 illnesses and nine deaths linked to the current peanut butter salmonella outbreak underscore the importance of wasting no time in enacting this important legislation.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Please do not hesitate to contact me again regarding issues of importance to you.
Sincerely,
BART STUPAK
Member of Congress
There you have it....Now what? No more Farmer's Markets???
Melody
Farmgirl #525
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| pamcook |
Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 4:51:07 PM
When chemical companies (Monsanto) are sponsoring the bill, it can't be good. We must support our local farmers - it's the only way to protect our food sources and prices.
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| Niamh |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 4:26:32 PM
This bill - and others like it - are missing one very big piece of the 'public health' issue. Whether it's peanuts, spinach, milk, or meat, the blindingly vast majority of problems are from mass produced items. HUGE vegetable/dairy/meat farms (and the accompanying slaughter facilities for the meat) that can't possibly control cleanliness at an appropriate level.
But to appear proactive, the government goes after all farms, even the small ones who are of a size to be conscientous about cleanliness and health. It's the small farms who take the hit, who can't stand up to the onerous requirements. This is good for the large conglomerations for two reasons: One, since they are able to comply with little effort or expenditure (most of them take an active part in devising the bills), they appear to the public to be helping with food safety when in fact it's just fancy icing on a rotten cake. And two, small businesses are not a threat to them yet, but their momentum is growing and the smarter large businesses can see it, so this has the nice 'side-effect' of stopping that momentum in its tracks.
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| brightmeadow |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 11:47:38 AM
I know exactly how you feel. There is so much going on today that is just WRONG, sometimes you feel like you can't do anything about it anyway, so why not just enjoy the day?
But I like to feel I can do SOMETHING.
I wrote a letter to my representative, who is NOT on the Agriculture committee, so I'm not sure how effective it will be.
Anyway if Michelle Obama has a garden at the White House (and serves state dinners from it), won't she be affected by the bill too? Maybe she's our best hope!
You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands - You shall be happy and it shall be well with you. -Psalm 128.2
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| DaisyFarm |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 10:27:07 AM
Exactly Sandra.
Sorry Brenda, I didn't mean to just blow off your topic. It's definitely a very important one. I just tend to spin on subjects involving greed, arrogance and corruption at it's finest.
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| idsweetie72 |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 10:06:14 AM
I agree DaisyFarm- it's just to insane- and although it isn't a nice day here- I don't feel like getting all upset at the moment!
Mazy Day Farm |
| DaisyFarm |
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 09:23:17 AM
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=6726
This site touches on my own feelings. I won't even begin to express how I feel here, it's a lovely spring day and I want to enjoy it in a good mood while I start more bedding plants. :)
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