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| babysmama |
Posted - Jan 06 2009 : 10:49:11 AM
Is this article true? . http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/smartspending
It makes it sound like after the middle of Feb. we won't be able to buy second hand children's items anymore, even at garage sales and ebay? Does anyone else know anything about this?
-Elizabeth |
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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Jan 12 2009 : 12:30:40 PM
If you use the blanket term "manufactures" of the items - you're back to where some of us who are in the business of hand crafting items one at a time are. The law, as I understand it, is across the board for "manufacturers" of children's items. That means the same law applies to me as does to Osh Kosh, for example. I create one of a kind items and I would have to test each and every individual item under this law, at a cost of $100-$300 an item. It would make more sense, if something needs to be tested, that the fabric and other materials be tested before they are sold to those of us who purchase them. That way the cost could be spread way out and not concentrated on individual items. The big companies, of course, mannufactures 100s of thousands of the same article - cost per testing is a fraction of a cent each. If I test each individual item the entire cost of the test rests on that ONE item - hence a jacket I sell for $39 could conceivably cost me up to $300 to test for lead. Why not just test the fabric? Please tell me if I'm misinterpreting the law, but this is how I read it....
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| farmmommy |
Posted - Jan 12 2009 : 12:01:50 PM
Just my few thoughts here.........Where are the laws for the actual manufactures of these items? Wouldn't you think it makes more sense to "stop the madness" there....I mean, seriously we did just fine back in the day when toys and clothes were made without all this man-made "crap" in them!! |
| soapmommy60543 |
Posted - Jan 09 2009 : 05:30:57 AM
The CPSC issued a statement--just today--that says resellers are not required to test their products. However, if they sell something that is later found to exceed the acceptable limits for lead or phthalates, they could face civil or criminal penalties. So, they are still accountable, even if they don't have to test. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html
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| Room To Grow |
Posted - Jan 08 2009 : 8:24:41 PM
Just found this out on another site I am onDated January 8th, 2009-
3rd paragrah down, 2nd sentence.
Sellers of used children’s products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits, phthalates standard or new toy standards.
The new safety law does not require resellers to test children’s products in inventory for compliance with the lead limit before they are sold.
http://www.cpsc. gov/cpscpub/ prerel/prhtml09/ 09086.html
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| Alee |
Posted - Jan 08 2009 : 5:03:20 PM
The original article did state that it was a huge possibility that thrift stores wouldn't be able to sell used clothes or toys for children anymore. Luckily the information has been clarified as of today and thrift stores look like they will be able to continue business as usual.
Alee
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| shepherdgirl |
Posted - Jan 08 2009 : 4:34:28 PM
Wait, I'm a bit confused!
Ok, now I'm not. I read the consumer safety report AGAIN.
Paragraphs #3 & #4 state that thrift and second hand stores are NOT required to do testing--- but RE-sellers -- I'm assuming places like Ross, Big Lots, Grocery Outlet etc... and all those places that buy unsold and/or damaged goods, and "seconds" for resale -- ARE required to test the products before they can sell them. Unless I really AM confused? Did anyone ELSE read the info on Terri's link like that? Or am I missing it all together?
If that's so, then that means that NEW goods are the target here-- not "gently loved" goods. That's good. (Lol!) I can deal with that. The people who can AFFORD to buy all new don't really care ANYWAY. They'll keep buying no matter what!! (I mean, if they don't have a problem paying a $150 for a pair of JEANS....!!!) But, we'll know for CERTAIN if all the kid stuff starts disappearing off the second hand store shelves-- and never gets replaced! Lets hope I read that right!
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| catscharm74 |
Posted - Jan 08 2009 : 3:10:57 PM
And then what are we going to do when they start charging us an arm and a leg to first, buy new things and secondly, to dispose of them??? It is scary...had to chime in...off to get Charlie now!!!
Heather
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| ThePixiesPlayhouse |
Posted - Jan 08 2009 : 2:32:35 PM
Update to the law
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html
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| Julia |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 9:57:05 PM
Just voted! My giddy aunt! is there not already to much government in our lives... "for the people, by the people..."
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| 5 acre Farmgirl |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 9:31:51 PM
OK, my Dh asked ....who is going to enforce it.....
Just wondering?????????????
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| Lizabeth |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 9:15:59 PM
Here is what I wrote on Oprah's story suggestion web page:
I am extremely concerned about the upcoming "due date", February 10th, for the law regarding testing for lead in children's products. I
am a work at home mom and began my own custom children's clothing business three years ago. I cannot afford to test each garment I make. In my network of other business women we are all facing the death of our dreams to create life giving products and to succeed as entrepreneurs.
I do not create children's clothing to simply make money. I create custom clothing to beautify children's lives. My favorite dresses to sew are from vintage embroidery and lace fabrics. Under the law that will take effect in just a few weeks I can no longer purchase second-hand fabrics, embroideries, or lace. I cannot make children's clothing to sell.
This situation is devasting to many many families.
Please, Miss Oprah, review the details of the lead testing law and bring the gravity and impact of the law to our congress' and our new president's attention.
Thank you!
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| StitchinWitch |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 9:07:01 PM
I think it would be o.k. to use FreeCycle; after all that is pretty much an agreement between two parties and there is no money involved.
This law sounds like one more thing that will put Americans out of business so more shoddy and/or questionable quality stuff will be made in China. Like it isn't already hard enought to find something that isn't made there!
Judith
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| Room To Grow |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 8:08:16 PM
I am sure this is to try to make us buy more retail. But it will be the same as when gas went to 5.00 a gal. They had to lower it back down because we stopped driving so much. But I saw something on the yahoo. It was an Austin Texas station. A childrens consigenment store said they were going to close and fire all the people that worked ther (12)... And the owner said they tried to call the someone at the state capitol and got no where...and the station news guy said they tried and got nowhere also....So I guess you might have to ask your local GoodWill and see what they say
Deborah
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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 6:39:41 PM
Sounds like it'll put me out of business - unless I label all my children's clothing "Not intended for use by children." Wonder if that would work.......... I wrote my congressman and voted on the site suggested earlier on here. I don't know what else I can do. Hopefully our new president with look at this with a level head and see that although the intention is good, the way it's written is ridiculous.
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| deeredawn |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 6:31:14 PM
This is very real. It was on our 6pm news channel tonight. Its awful. The law goes into effect Feb 10. I think we should set up a free store. Or organize a free swap in your community. And Tracy (shepardgirl) you are exactly right. We have forgotten how to be self relient. Its time ladies to batten down the hatches and take care of you and yours. I'm learning how to sew so that I can make my own tops for summertime, and hopefully I will add on crocheting to that so i can stay warm in winter. I'm very worried where this is going because so many do not know about this. What a devastation it's going to be to a LOT of families.....
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| 5 acre Farmgirl |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 6:26:08 PM
Shall we all just go together and purchase thousands of acres, and all move there, each still having his own acre or more?
They can't touch us if we only trade/barter with each other can they?Laws...argh!!! I know we have to have some, but, isn't this kind of????????
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| kissmekate |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 5:43:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by harmonyfarm
How bout we box up all the kid's stuff made in China and send it back to them? I wonder what their kids play with and wear?
Debbie
"If you can't find the time to do it right...how will you find the time to do it over"
Debbie,
Their children probably wear the same stuff our kids wear, considering everything (it seems) is made over there.
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| shepherdgirl |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 11:02:56 AM
I'm with Karen on this one. Someone, somewhere, stands to make a FORTUNE off this new "Law!" It's just like the NAIS thing ("National Animal Identification System) -- even your horse, pet goat, or pet DUCK will not be immune should THAT become an actual LAW!!! It's a system that will ONLY benefit the company making the ID chips and reading devices (and already proven a huge-- HUGE failure in Europe!) and, I'm sure, would help line "Uncle Sam's" HOLEY pockets in the process!!
"Big Brother" is already putting small dairyman and farmers out of business, trying to put a lid on the world seed banks so they can no longer sell to the public, make fishing illegal in many areas of the country (and at SEA!!).... now they are going after the CLOTHING industry??!! They want to keep us hungry AND NAKED!!! Yet another step tword --- YOU KNOW WHAT!! (Think -- "The Land of the Rising Sun!")
We all need to be praying REALLY hard for this new President AND his appointed Cabinet members and Judges. We need to pray that they will do the RIGHT thing by, and FOR, the People, and not fall under the spell of "Power Trips" and eeeeaaasy MONEY!!! (and just WHERE does that "EASY" money come from?-- the sweat, blood and tears of the overworked, and over TAXED WORKING CLASS!!!! And the IDIOTS who come up with laws like not allowing us to buy second hand childrens items!!!) So, it's time to pull up our stockings ladies and hang on! These next several years are going to be a BUMPY ride!!! hugs and blessings! ~~~ Tracy
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| homemom |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 10:17:19 AM
When will this crazy law go into affect? I can't even believe it. I hope that it is overturned. I always count on second hand. Our landfills are going to be filled with things that are still in good condition and could be used by so many more. This is craziness and I don't see how it helps anyone.
Ruth
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| harmonyfarm |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 10:15:10 AM
How bout we box up all the kid's stuff made in China and send it back to them? I wonder what their kids play with and wear?
Debbie
"If you can't find the time to do it right...how will you find the time to do it over" |
| FebruaryViolet |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 09:17:11 AM
To buck this silly law, I went last night to my favorite second hand kids store and purchased like mad.
They must know the death knell is coming--all clothing was 50% off, so a score for me, but bad for my second hand future. |
| Alee |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 07:56:07 AM
This is going to affect everything- including children's clothing, toys, bedding, bath products. If nothing is changed I am going to have to pull my "Baby Bath And Body Care" line from my website and I am going to have to put a label on any doll that I sell saying something like "Not intended for use by Children"- I know that the natural fiber clothes might get leniency- I hope natural fiber toys do as well.
I am so furious about these changes. This is not something that is going to have a small impact. This will have a HUGE impact all across the nation.
I mean- I want to keep the lead away from kids. That is the only logical thing to do-- but there has got to be some way that by submitting an ingredient/ supply list you can get a waiver from these laws- and I think second hand clothing should be allowed to sell.
Alee
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| kpaints |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 07:49:18 AM
Does this include children's bedding?
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| kpaints |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 07:23:57 AM
It always seems to be about the money, someone somewhere will make a ton of money around this. In the meantime, every small business will be OUT OF BUSINESS! I have always made all my kids clothes and do the same for grandchildren. This is just the way I was raised. It was not an absolute necessity but it really helped. The rest of our clothing was thrift store mostly and was necessary. Many people depend on garage sales, thrift stores, or make their own. This will really hurt the poor. Talk about an economy killer! I am just stunned beyond words! I went to the site to vote but could not find where to do that. Any help would be appreciated. I did sign a petition and made a small donation on another site, mentioned earlier in this forum.
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| babysmama |
Posted - Jan 07 2009 : 06:20:08 AM
I'm still hoping this isn't true? I mean really, how will I afford to clothe three little ones when I buy about 95% of their clothing at thrift shops and garage sales?
And what a waste! Where will all of these perfectly good clothes go after they are used? You would think that even if there were lead in clothing it should have been all washed out after the first few washings so isn't used clothing better than new? If this is true I seriously don't know what I will do since I can't afford all new clothing and don't want to have to afford all new...this is insane! Now we don't even have the freedom to buy what we want?! I wonder if the clothing stores are happy about this...would it be a big increase in sales for them since we can only buy new or a big hassle since they have to get everything tested? And these mom and pop companies will all go out of business. 
-Elizabeth |
