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Family Matters:  Elimination Communication  |
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YakLady
True Blue Farmgirl
652 Posts
Natalie
Montana
USA
652 Posts |
 Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 2:57:21 PM
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Has anyone here done EC with their infants/children?
I'm planning on doing this with Jr, and would appreciate and insight :)
~Natalie~ Just a farmgirl in Western Montana. http://mtnme.blogspot.com
Starting a family and raising Tibetan Yaks, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Laying hens, Muscovy ducks, and a few dogs. |
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Lieberkim
True Blue Farmgirl
839 Posts
Kimberly
Sunnyside
WASHINGTON
USA
839 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 8:24:24 PM
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At the risk of sounding stupid..... what is Elimination Communication?
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MagnoliaWhisper
True Blue Farmgirl
2817 Posts
Heather
Haysville
Kansas
USA
2817 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 8:35:58 PM
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It's something not done here in the USA much, but done mainly in Asian countries.
I read part of a book about it once, and meant to buy the book and never did. I did highly consider it though, I wish I would just do it though!
Any way, Kimberly it's a diaper free way of going. What you do is learn to read your babies cues of having to go to the bathroom, and then you take them and put them on the potty when you get the cue that they need to go. The book I read at the store gave tale tale signs of knowing when your baby needed to go. When I brought this up to a lot of people they said sounds like the baby is training you rather then you potty training the baby. And that is EXACTLY right! I think it sounds awesome, but I would need to read the book entirely to feel comfortable with it. But, in theory at least it sounds great to me. I wish I could get the book read it and try it.
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MagnoliaWhisper
True Blue Farmgirl
2817 Posts
Heather
Haysville
Kansas
USA
2817 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 8:37:17 PM
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PS we aren't talking about average age in the USA babies for potty training, we (at least me) are talking about baby babies. Like from only a few weeks old you can start this.
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YakLady
True Blue Farmgirl
652 Posts
Natalie
Montana
USA
652 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 10:06:19 PM
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Yeah, it's a common thing in Asia, Africa, etc. The mothers take their babies to the bushes to do their business instead of diapering. I have a bunch of cloth diapers ready for the baby, but I hope to only use them as back up. I got an e-book package, joined an EC forum and I'm going to really try to do it :)
http://ecsimplified.com/elimination-communication-101/ Is where I got a lot of info and the book :)
~Natalie~ Just a farmgirl in Western Montana. http://mtnme.blogspot.com
Starting a family and raising Tibetan Yaks, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Laying hens, Muscovy ducks, and a few dogs. |
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one_dog_per_acre
True Blue Farmgirl
1572 Posts
Trish
Sandpoint
ID
USA
1572 Posts |
Posted - Nov 18 2011 : 03:39:44 AM
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What is the psychological effect?
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Missus Miranda
True Blue Farmgirl
285 Posts
Miranda
Thrall
TX
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - Nov 22 2011 : 11:25:52 AM
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Not sure about starting that young, but then again, why not?
I have a family member who was almost 5 by the time he was finally potty trained. He was still in diapers because HE told his MOTHER he didn't want to use the potty. Other family members are going through something similar now, but thankfully the child is not almost old enough for Kindergarten.
Anyway, the family member who was nearly 5 was potty trained by his grandmother in a week, who refused to go get him more diapers. However, to this day as an adult, he demands from his parents. It seemed to set the stage when he was young, being able to run roughshot over his mother.  Maybe this book is something I need to look into for future reference! LOL
"I'm not trying to be mean or cantankerous. I just wish people would do the right thing, and use a little common sense." ~ Farmgirl 3535
Pflugerville, TX
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MagnoliaWhisper
True Blue Farmgirl
2817 Posts
Heather
Haysville
Kansas
USA
2817 Posts |
Posted - Nov 22 2011 : 3:22:04 PM
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I wouldn't think any worse psychological effect, caused by sitting in your own waste till changed? It's not about punishing a baby for wetting/soiling, it's about the parents taking the babies cues, and putting baby on potty. I wouldn't think any different then looking at baby and knowing they just soiled their diaper and going and changing it?
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FarmDream
True Blue Farmgirl
1085 Posts
Julie
TX
USA
1085 Posts |
Posted - Nov 22 2011 : 4:56:40 PM
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If it's common in other countries then it can't be too psychologically damaging. I would think I would get worn down by others questioning how your baby could really be potty trained if they are only a few months old. I have heard of this and I say go for it if you can commit to it. It would save you tons of money not having to deal with diapers.
~FarmDream is Farmgirl Sister #3069
Live Today, Cherish Yesterday, Dream Tomorrow
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YakLady
True Blue Farmgirl
652 Posts
Natalie
Montana
USA
652 Posts |
Posted - Nov 22 2011 : 9:25:49 PM
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Trish- I'm honestly not sure, but I would think that sitting in a wet/dirty diaper would be much more damaging psychologically than being put on a potty... I haven't found anything that is published against EC for scientific reasons (or other reasons). Diapers haven't always existed. I'd like to think that if I can keep my baby cleaner and use less diapers, that's a win-win.
It isn't coercive and doesn't involve any kind of punishment at all. That I could imagine would be damaging to a baby. EC is about watching for signs that your baby needs to go and accommodating that need instead of giving them no option other than repeatedly soiling themselves for months/years.
I have a healthy stash of cloth diapers already, but the less I have to use them, the better.
This is common practice in many countries outside the US. It's not called EC, it's just the way things are done. You start watching for signs before the baby eliminates from day one, keep notes on regular times and try to anticipate your baby's need to eliminate. Some people start early, some later; it can be done part-time, full-time, or on occasion.
I'll let you all know how it goes... Whenever this kid decides to come OUT! 40 weeks tomorrow and no labor yet :( Getting kinda tired of this whole being huge thing!
~Natalie~ Just a farmgirl in Western Montana. http://mtnme.blogspot.com
Starting a family and raising Tibetan Yaks, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Laying hens, Muscovy ducks, and a few dogs. |
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Apache Lady
Farmgirl in Training
47 Posts
Erika
La Puente
California
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - Nov 29 2011 : 09:19:57 AM
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| Good luck! I think this is a good thing. I never had kids :( but I know things like diapers and formula get real expensive. Mom raised us on cloth diapers and she tells us we were potty trained by 1 year. This should also eliminate any rashes. I bet baby would be much happier :) |
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FebruaryViolet
True Blue Farmgirl
4810 Posts
Jonni
Elsmere
Kentucky
USA
4810 Posts |
Posted - Nov 29 2011 : 09:29:10 AM
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Well, I've read up on it, but I didn't try it--mainly because I wasn't going to be a SAHM, and she'd be with other relatives during the week. It's a lot to ask of people other than yourself.
However, with an almost 3 year old who likes to strip out of her jams and take her diaper off, it might be a good thing ;) We've started potty training, but apparently only pee is "potty" and feces is just something you have in your drawers without complaint!
"Hey, I've got nothing to do today but smile..."
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Annab
True Blue Farmgirl
2900 Posts
Anna
Seagrove
NC
USA
2900 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 3:21:39 PM
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Approaching this from an animal keeper/animal behavorist view-point;
To housebreak a dog, (and this is in NO way making a compairson that way) puppy training books say that a puppy will have periods of play, and eating, and will then stop what it is doing and go start to sniff to find somewhere to relieve itself.
If someone is well versed in puppy behavior, you know what to look for-especially if you have time devoted for house training. When I had my second dog and was home for 2 weeks, I was able to catch these behaviors and reduce the incidences of inside accidents big time! And when I didn't- it was my fault for being distracted and not picking up on the behavior in time .
House breaking and perhaps toilet training IS easier than we think!
So for a human, I can see the Ah-Ha! and wisdom in this-especially for a small person who cannot yet verbally (with words) communicate his or her needs in this way.
If a mother has the time to get in tune with her child this way, this is really kind of fascinating, and actually way old school and a way of life for cultures that do not have bathrooms or diapers of any kind.
Mommas, I say -rock on!
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Wildcrafter
True Blue Farmgirl
340 Posts
Suzanne
Seattle
WA
USA
340 Posts |
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melody
True Blue Farmgirl
3335 Posts
Melody
The Great North Woods in the Land of Hiawatha
USA
3335 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 6:05:02 PM
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That's really bizarre approach to potty training-
Just when you think you've heard everything-Thanks for the chuckle!
Melody
Farmgirl #525 |
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Simply Satisfied
True Blue Farmgirl
427 Posts
Emily
Montana
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2011 : 06:27:32 AM
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Hey, have you had success figuring your little one out yet? I will be so jealous of how many less diapers you will need.
Emily
Farmgirl # 3591 |
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Montrose Girl
Farmgirl Legend/Schoolmarm
1360 Posts
Laurie
Montrose
CO
1360 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2011 : 08:23:26 AM
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Natalie, I hope this is working out for you. What a great concept. We had Junior's schedule figured out until his first shots, which threw everything off and knew exactly when he pooped so we were able to change him immediately. I never thought of this, though I knew some Asian countries didn't use diapers. I never knew what they did. thanks for the information.
Laurie
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PattiM
Farmgirl at Heart
5 Posts
Patti
St. Charles
MO
USA
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Posted - Dec 19 2011 : 4:49:02 PM
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Having lived in Asia several years when teaching overseas, I can tell you it's a little less "clean" than it sounds when someone says the mom takes the child to the bushes, etc. I've been on public transportation more than a few times where moms were standing holding their child and it peed and pooped on people sitting down. Or it happens in a store or restaurant. It's nothing to see a mother and child walking down the sidewalk, the child stop and squat right there, and poop. Not in the bushes. As for the argument that if it's done on other countries it can't be psychologically damaging. Really? Look at the human rights situation in the very countries that use this. Feet-binding, female circumcision, selling of their own daughters into white slavery, etc., not to mention numerous other horrific violations of human rights.
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YakLady
True Blue Farmgirl
652 Posts
Natalie
Montana
USA
652 Posts |
Posted - Dec 19 2011 : 6:34:00 PM
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We are still getting the hang of this- Jr has gas, so the #2s are hard to predict because it is usually just a toot! Hopefully in another week or two his flora will simmer down and he will be more predictable. Also, never knew babies could pee so much. Downright impressive amount of urine, there.
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Originally posted by PattiM
Having lived in Asia several years when teaching overseas, I can tell you it's a little less "clean" than it sounds when someone says the mom takes the child to the bushes, etc. I've been on public transportation more than a few times where moms were standing holding their child and it peed and pooped on people sitting down. Or it happens in a store or restaurant. It's nothing to see a mother and child walking down the sidewalk, the child stop and squat right there, and poop. Not in the bushes. As for the argument that if it's done on other countries it can't be psychologically damaging. Really? Look at the human rights situation in the very countries that use this. Feet-binding, female circumcision, selling of their own daughters into white slavery, etc., not to mention numerous other horrific violations of human rights.
Uh what does toileting infants have to do with ANY of that??
And yes, they do those things in some places in Asia. That's not the only place this is practiced, and I never said I was using their methods, anyway.
I don't have my child naked in public. He wears clothes, and I use cloth diapers. I just try to preemptively toilet him to save on laundry. So no, my child isn't peeing on strangers on a bus- which he'll probably never ride on, anyway, since we live far beyond the bus routes. The point of this is to establish better communication and be more in-tune with my child, not to train him to poop in the streets, or on other people.
I really do not think that this is a human rights issue and see absolutely zero connection to those other things you mentioned happen in some Asian countries.
~Natalie~ Just a farmgirl in Western Montana. http://mtnme.blogspot.com
Starting a family and raising Tibetan Yaks, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Laying hens, Muscovy ducks, and a few dogs. |
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MagnoliaWhisper
True Blue Farmgirl
2817 Posts
Heather
Haysville
Kansas
USA
2817 Posts |
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walkinwalkoutcattle
True Blue Farmgirl
1675 Posts
Megan
Paint Lick
KY
USA
1675 Posts |
Posted - Dec 22 2011 : 1:13:22 PM
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I JUST read a story about a lady who did this and had her baby potty trained by 13 months! It's just mentally connecting the signals to go with going in the potty. :) I'd LOVE to hear how it works for you! I was too scared of poo/pee all over to try it with my DD.
Farmgirl #2879 :)
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
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