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Across the Fence:  Do away with ?....'In God we trust'  |
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kpaints
True Blue Farmgirl
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karen
cheney
wa
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Beemoosie
True Blue Farmgirl
2077 Posts
Bonnie
New York
USA
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kristin sherrill
True Blue Farmgirl
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kristin
chickamauga
ga
USA
11303 Posts |
 Posted - Mar 15 2009 : 4:53:00 PM
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Just put my vote in. Thanks for bringing this up, Karen.
Kris
Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. Maori proverb |
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Diane B Carter
True Blue Farmgirl
1270 Posts
Diane
Blasdell
N.Y.
USA
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Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 09:34:26 AM
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I just voted thank-you for sharing that. We so need to put God back in our lives.
Hope all your days are Sunnydays.
dianebcarterhotmailcom.blogspot.com |
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therusticcottage
True Blue Farmgirl
4439 Posts
Kay
Vancouver
WA
USA
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Amie C.
True Blue Farmgirl
2099 Posts
Finger Lakes Region
NY
2099 Posts |
Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 11:42:19 AM
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These are the two choices the quiz gives you:
"Yes. It's a violation of the principle of separation of church and state."
"No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion."
I was all set to vote "Yes", because in my mind putting "In God we trust" on our currency leads to the cynical connotation that money IS our god.
But on the other hand, I don't think the phrase does anything to establish a state religion (unless you're talking about worshipping money, and I don't think that's what the makers of the quiz are getting at). Now I'm all mixed up again!
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StitchinWitch
True Blue Farmgirl
2533 Posts
Judith
Galt
CA
USA
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Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 12:26:38 PM
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I voted yes. Two main reasons:
One of the reasons our country was founded was freedom of religion, meaning citizens could choose their own religion and not have it mandated by the government as it is in some other countries, or to choose not to have a religion.
Our country has many citizens with religions other than Christianity; not all of them refer to their chosen Supreme Being as God.
I also believe in keeping religion and money separate.
Judith
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Prairie Princess
True Blue Farmgirl
1075 Posts
Jodi
Washington
USA
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Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 12:58:36 PM
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Thanks for sharing this link! I voted no, as it does "nothing to establish a state religion"... it goes back to the founding of our country...our founders were seeking religious freedom (for all, yes), and they (were Christian) believed God gave them the country (a belief I do personally embrace)... For me, though...my vote...it's primarily historical and patriotic, versus political and religious.
~Jodi
"Women are like teabags...you never know how strong they are until they get into hot water." Eleanor Roosevelt |
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Amie C.
True Blue Farmgirl
2099 Posts
Finger Lakes Region
NY
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Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 1:41:14 PM
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Yeah, I get the argument that not everyone chooses to worship "God" in the Judeo-Christian sense. But the way the quiz is set up leads me to believe that this is part of that whole currently popular reactionary mindset that wants to wipe out any public acknowledgement of religion in general, and Christianity in particular (as the traditionally predominant religion throughout the formative years of our country). I'm not down with that. I think it's an overreaching interpretation of the Constitution: we are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. And in this case, the phrase is a historical reminder of our country's religious and cultural past.
So I'm going to vote against my own first instincts here and say "No". |
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
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Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 2:39:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by StitchinWitch
I voted yes. Two main reasons:
One of the reasons our country was founded was freedom of religion, meaning citizens could choose their own religion and not have it mandated by the government as it is in some other countries, or to choose not to have a religion.
Our country has many citizens with religions other than Christianity; not all of them refer to their chosen Supreme Being as God.
I also believe in keeping religion and money separate.
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Yeah, I get the argument that not everyone chooses to worship "God" in the Judeo-Christian sense. But the way the quiz is set up leads me to believe that this is part of that whole currently popular reactionary mindset that wants to wipe out any public acknowledgement of religion in general, and Christianity in particular (as the traditionally predominant religion throughout the formative years of our country). I'm not down with that. I think it's an overreaching interpretation of the Constitution: we are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. And in this case, the phrase is a historical reminder of our country's religious and cultural past.
So I'm going to vote against my own first instincts here and say "No".
Judith, I agree with you completely, which is why I also voted "Yes." My disagreement with your argument, Amie, is that while the phrase is an historical reminder, it's not our country's "present," and I really think if we're going to continue to be an inclusive society, one which is seeing more and more different cultures and religions represented, we need to be sure our symbols do the same.
"I believe in God, only I spell it Nature." -- Frank Lloyd Wright |
Edited by - laluna on Mar 16 2009 2:40:03 PM |
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Amie C.
True Blue Farmgirl
2099 Posts
Finger Lakes Region
NY
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Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 08:30:00 AM
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I tend to resist changing things just to keep up with the times. I think there's no harm in having symbols around that remind us of the past more than the present.
But I would be definitely in support of removing the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge is something that requires active participation, and it's not right to mix declaring loyalty to our country with adherence to a specific religion. If all citizens can't say it with sincerity, it isn't inclusive enough to be our pledge.
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Maryjane Lee
True Blue Farmgirl
2195 Posts
Maryjane
CA
USA
2195 Posts |
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crafter
True Blue Farmgirl
2313 Posts
lori
Fort Atkinson
Wisconsin
USA
2313 Posts |
Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 12:25:06 PM
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I voted NO!
I will always live by "In God We Trust"
Lori
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