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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
4309 Posts
Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
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 Posted - Oct 14 2008 : 5:03:17 PM
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Oprah had a great show today showing the difference between Corporate grown animals and "family farm" raised animals, talking also about Prop 2 on the CA ballot. While I find it sad that we have to make laws for things that in my thinking should be "common sense" I hope that you will check out the discussion. www.oprah.com . And then make your "vote" with your pocket book!
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
Mae West
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Annika
True Blue Farmgirl
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Annika
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2008 : 6:06:38 PM
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We are trying to eat local raised meats when ever possible. I am considering becoming partially vegetarian due to the moral dilemma I have of not killing what I eat.
I have a pet yard rooster, Black Jack Davie, and I would have to be seriously in danger of starving to kill him. So not being able to kill my own food, has put me in the position of feeling that I should not eat what I don't have the heart to kill. I detest factory farms and the wanton cruelty that is so rampant there. IF I'm going to eat meat, I either want to raise it and have the guts to kill it or at least know who raised it, how they raised it and how it is killed. I am , as I say, having increasing problems with the fact that I eat meat at times, that I have no idea what kind of life it had and such...I'm rambling sorry, but this is an upsetting topic for me at the moment as I try to sort out what is right for me and the animals that I do or do not eat.
Annika
Farmgirl & sister #13
Mud Hen Queen
MJ's Heirloom Maven's Librarian
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LivingWell4You
True Blue Farmgirl
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Karen
Hillsboro
MO
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2008 : 6:31:23 PM
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Rene, thanks for the heads up.
Being raised on a farm I'm used to eating the pigs, chickens and cows my dad raised. Personally I don't have an issue with eating meat but I do have an issue with how they're raised. On our trip we drove by cows in CAFOs and others that were free-range. The poor CAFO-raised cattle were huddled together along one side of their fenced-in lot. And the same scene repeated itself in each of the lots.
I will definitely be checking out the discussion.
God bless -
Karen ~ Chickherder & Farmgirl Sister #311 |
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FannyMay
Farmgirl in Training
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Tara
Rosston
Arkansas
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2008 : 8:50:10 PM
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Well I just had to jump in on this one. I am a farm girl at heart. In fact we raise the majority of what we eat. That is usually beef, pork , chicken, and veggies and my husband will usually kill a few deer also. God gave us dominion over the animals, but he also does not want us to be cruel and mean. We are to respect the bounties he has given us. We are in the cattle industry. We sell reg. Angus cattle, but we do not condone a lot of what goes on in this country with our agriculture the way it is now, but you also have to look at it in another way also. How many americans live in the country and have access to fresh meat. How many americans live in the city? We have an ever increasing population and that population is ever taking over farm land. Right now we do not have enough farms to produce fresh grassfed or natural meat. I am not sure what the answer to the problem is but I am sure of one thing it will probably get worse. When i run out of our own meats and have to start buying from the grociery store, which has been lately!UGH!! I can't hardly stand it. Has anyone noticed that hamburger meat has a smell and so does chicken. My HB should not have a funny smell or color. I am not sure what is going on when they pack it, but it is def not like mine. We would like to personaly get to the point here at our farm where we can sell freezer beef,pork, and poultry. We just don't have enough grass right now and hopefully by 2010 we will be there. we have the fencing done and clearing all we need now is some money for seed and fertilizer and prayers for rain. Next month I will put 20 something hens in the freezer. they have stopped laying and I am not having anything here that can't pay for itself. The economy just won't let us right now.
There is nothing like sitting down to dinner and knowing that everything had come from your home. For our dinner tonight we had green beans, cream corn, fried potatoes, and chicken . Every thing was from our farm. OUr children are much healthier "I think" we very seldom have to go to the doctor. I just think it is our way of life. We absolutely love it!!!!
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Homespun Livin
True Blue Farmgirl
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Brenda
Louisiana
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2008 : 9:10:23 PM
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Tara,
I have to say a huge AMEN to what you posted. I completely agree with you. I grew up knowing where my food came from and even helped clean it. It never had a funky smell. The hamburger and chicken surely does have a smell. I have noticed that myself and am afraid to imagine what it could be. Even though I am like Annika and couldn't do the actual butchering myself, I am not opposed to having someone do it for me. Great post Rene'.
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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
4309 Posts
Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
4309 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 07:08:14 AM
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Hey thanks, I love the discussion. To be clear, I am a meat eater as well but have made the jump from "unknown" sources to locally raised animals. Oprah made a comment that I really loved and that has "challenged" me. The saying was, "the way we treat animals" shows our own humanity while I don't take issue to eating animals as food, I certainly believe that they should be allowed to be raised in an environment that allows them to walk and run and have fresh air and forage. Some of the footage was really horrible. There are also SO many health benefits to us when we choose animals that have been pasture raised over those that have not... a great website to find locally raised animals and to find great books on the topic is www.eatwid.com
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
Mae West
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Jami
True Blue Farmgirl
1238 Posts
Jami
Ellensburg
WA
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 07:44:54 AM
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I too saw the tailend of this Oprah show and was happy to see she presented all sides, unlike how other "shock shows" which just show the worst scenarios and never the positives because they think there are no positives to eating animals in the first place.
I agree with FannyMay also...it's a fine line to provide food for this great country--everyone wants a little piece of ground of their own and the farmland is being gobbled up (at least here in Ellensburg it's a huge problem) and it takes a lot of land to pasture-raise beef and other livestock and with the population growing rapidly and more people to feed, it makes no sense our farmland is shrinking with more mouths to feed. I fear we are going to become a nation that imports its food supply and won't that be a really sad situation? Then we are at the mercy of them to feed us? Scary. It's sad because we take great pride in pasture-raising our lamb and letting them live in the most natural environment possible (with their mothers out on pastures) until death do us part, but we can't afford more land in this valley and can only support 50 ewes on our pasture system so we have the farm as a second income and both work "regular" jobs (I should say paying jobs, ha) and can't provide more of the wholesome type of meat that we're talking about. If we fed concentrated feeds in a feedlot situation we could raise a heckuva lot more lambs, but that is against our philosophy.
Another sad thing I see here where I live is that even though these farms are being displaced by 3-acre "dreamscapes", you don't see gardens and certainly not livestock on their perfectly manicured and professionally landscaped yards. They look like upscale city neighborhoods and these folks are interested in a tiny bit of elbow room but really don't live a country lifestyle nor have a country mentality except they think they can all have 2-3+ dogs that run loose. Uh oh...let's not get started on that subject!
It's a real conundrum, how's that for a word?
Jami in WA
Farmgirl Sister #266
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Annika
True Blue Farmgirl
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Annika
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 08:23:29 AM
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Rene, thank you for the timely topic, you always find the best ones too. Makes me almost want to break my no tv rule and watch Oprah.
Annika
Farmgirl & sister #13
Mud Hen Queen
MJ's Heirloom Maven's Librarian
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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
4309 Posts
Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
4309 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 08:31:48 AM
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Oh don't do that... Just go to www.oprah.com and you can view it on line :).. although our very own MaryJane will be hosting a PBS show this winter... THAT would totally be worth breaking the rules :).. Better yet, just all meet at one place and watch them together.....
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information."[6] They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others
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homemom
True Blue Farmgirl
1593 Posts
Ruth
Warwick
RI
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 12:46:14 PM
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I wasn't able to watch it online. I did read the articles. It is really sad how these animals are treated. I was sick last year when there was a recall on beef because of the way the cows were treated on the way to the slaughter house. I'm not sure if that is the way they were being treated all the time and it was so sad to see. The video was so sad. There isn't any need to treat them that way.
I can't wait for MaryJane to have her show on PBS. When will it be on?
Ruth
Living the farm life in my heart.
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MagnoliaWhisper
True Blue Farmgirl
2817 Posts
Heather
Haysville
Kansas
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 1:10:01 PM
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Well to me living in the city is no excuse. I was raised in a city that is about 300,000 to 400,000 in pop. It wasn't that hard to go outside of town and get what we needed. My dad buys local meat. My mom till recently always raised our own chickens-eggs, chicken! You are allowed a certain number with in city limits. But, that and even now, it wasn't that big of a drive to go to the country and buy eggs/chicken locally.
Now my dad has a BIG family (I'm his oldest, of 14 children! Yes fourteen). Any way, he now buys a LOT of meat. But, when I was growing up the Amish had a IN town store to buy "local" meat. That was raised kindly! Now my dad goes to a different guy who he lives near (cause he's moved out to the country) and buys huge amounts of beef, from him twice a year.
Other then that we also always ate when he hunted-deer, pheasant, turkey, quail.
We live in NYC buying local is expensive, we do as much as we can. But, we are moving back to Kansas next year, and we will ONLY eat local then!
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LivingWell4You
True Blue Farmgirl
1411 Posts
Karen
Hillsboro
MO
USA
1411 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 1:17:54 PM
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Checking back in at this post and loving what I'm reading.
Tara, I wish we lived closer so we could get our meat from you. And I agree with you that God gave us dominion over the animals - and with that right also comes the responsibility to treat them humanely. They are, after all, God's creation as should be treated as such.
Rene, I think the website you meant was www.eatwild.com I'll have to check it out when I'm done here.
Although I haven't seen the show yet or been to Oprah's website (need to write that on my To Do list so it gets ta-done!), Jami, I'm glad to know she presented a balanced view. Regarding farms being converted to subdivisions, it's happening like crazy in our area. It just makes me sick. You can't get that land back so where do they think our food is going to come from in the future.
Have any of you (non-mavens) read Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver? I'm just over half-way through it but she makes some amazing points and her husband has eye-opening statistical info sprinkled throughout the book. MJ’s Heirloom Mavens are reading through it as our first book club selection. We just started yesterday so if any of you want to join in, come on over. Wondering what the mavens are about? Visit the beginner’s guide at http://www.maryjanesfarm.org/HenHouseSnitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=582
Looking forward to reading more on this post. Fascinating stuff, huh?
God bless -
Karen ~ Chickherder & Farmgirl Sister #311 |
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deeredawn
True Blue Farmgirl
2306 Posts
Dawn
Cordova
TN
USA
2306 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 1:43:14 PM
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Okay. I just gotta say... I cant stand Oprah. I refuse to watch her, read about her, or buy her mags. With that said. I agree the topic she aired would've been a good one to catch. My dad is an avid hunter. I learned to shoot at a very early age. Mom remarried a butcher when I was 9yo. We always had good meat... with that said.... I remember we had to import the meat in from Montana. I am a stats buff and the rate in which farm land is disappearing is terrifying. Jami's correct: theres no way we, as a nation can feed ourselves. Tara's right too..... too many people looking for elbow room and dont know nothing about living off the land. I think theres a country song by MOntgomery Gentry about this.... anyhow, I have a hedache and I wll try to keep on track. When it comes to farming I get soooooo worked up. Not good for the ol BP....
Anyhow, I became a butchers apprentice at the ripe age of 12. And thank Goodness. Like one of the gals said before me, there will be nothing on this farm that wont pay for itself or its keep. I cannot afford it. I sickens and saddens me that honest hard working people have to find a job to support htier farms. It aint right. Crap, I'm gettin so worked up I cant spell. And to think that "THE MAN" gets to control how WE eat, and how WE raise our food... ARRRGGH! I'm all for forgaging animals....if uncle sam will grant me the loans to buy the land and raise them the way HE intended.....
I haent a clue if any of this makes sense..... just ignore me if it doesnt......
Dawn #279
MJ's Heirloom Mavens/Mother Hen
http://heirloommavens.blogspot.com
http://harvestthymefarm.blogspot.com
"I figure if a girl wants to be a legend, she should go ahead and be one!"...Calamity Jane |
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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
4309 Posts
Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
4309 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 1:50:58 PM
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Karen,
Thanks for the save.. yes www.eatwild.com
I spilled my coffee on my key board this am and well.. I had to find a new/old key board and WOW do I remember why I got rid of this one. SO I will have to buy a new one.
Dawn~ How ya doing?
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information."[6] They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others
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homemom
True Blue Farmgirl
1593 Posts
Ruth
Warwick
RI
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 1:56:37 PM
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Jami~I hate how farmland is being replaced for 3 acre dreamscapes. What are people thinking? Do they think food will just magically appear out of thin air?!
What is going to happen to us if people don't start learning the truth and seeing what is really happening to our food and country.
Ruth
Living the farm life in my heart.
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Annika
True Blue Farmgirl
5602 Posts
Annika
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 2:12:10 PM
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I don't want to be a gloom monger, but I think we are in for some pretty hard times if all of this continues, Ruth. I hope that we as a nation and we as inhabitants of the earth can pull out of our bad habits and fly right. I'm not sure which direction is the "Right" direction, but down hill isn't it.
All of this farmland being turned into dream acres is scary. Who is going to feed the people?
I hope that there are some times coming where we learn from our bad habits and slow back down some. The "progress" is killing us. Just my thoughts. I'm becoming a pro slow food nation adherent, but I have LOTS to learn.
Annika
Farmgirl & sister #13
Mud Hen Queen
MJ's Heirloom Maven's Librarian
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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
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Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
4309 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 4:13:45 PM
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http://www.slowfoodusa.org/
For those in the "learning mode" go to the above web site and get connected with some of the others in your area that are connecting with the slow food mentality. I might add as well that these reasons are good ones to build your local Farmgirl chapters. Talk to your local librarians and extension agents and let them know what you are doing so that they can "plug people into" what we are about. There is no reason we can’t be making a "rag rug" while talking about these "heart issues". Or quilting or what have you...
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information."[6] They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others
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Contrary Wife
True Blue Farmgirl
2164 Posts
Teresa Sue
Tekoa
WA
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 5:35:21 PM
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Great topic Rene. We raise hogs every spring, get our beef from our farmer neighbor two miles down the road, and eventually will raise all our own meat. Hubby doesn't quite "get it" yet, but I know what I personaly will and will not eat. It's gone past the thinking part, and is moving rapidly into just being my lifestyle.
Teresa Sue
Farmgirl Sister #316
MJ's Heirloom Mavens Badgebadger
MJ's Heirloom Mavens Bookclub Coordinator
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ruralfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
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Rene'
Prosser
WA
USA
4309 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 5:50:03 PM
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I think one of the things that makes it hard for some is the higher cost associated with "flying right" as Annika says (love that), is that of economics, it will take a little bit of us making sacrifices to be able to eat the right kinds of foods so the prices will come down.. But until then, I think it is a matter of each of us "doing what we can" when we can. I know that by following MaryJane's suggestions and just shopping out of the rows of the supermarket, maybe we can afford some better choices where we are shopping~ But it is a hard time and most of us know that....I am finding however that a lot of our local growers are much more affordable than buying in the local stores. So check for local in your area at localharvest.org you might save a little AND support a local farm family!
Rene~Prosser Farmgirl #185
http://farmchicksfarm.blogspot.com/
Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information."[6] They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others
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catscharm74
True Blue Farmgirl
4687 Posts
Heather
Texas
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 5:50:10 PM
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I wonder about all this farmland being cookies cuttered over. My dream is to buy some land just to keep it open and well, land. I am trying to find a local beef supply. Yes, I have noticed something off about hamburger in the store, I stopped buying it. Vegetables and fruit are a joke in the local store here. I am forced to buy frozed for costs and variety. The canned stuff just seems gross to me. When we find a place to settle, I plan on my hobby being my own food growing. I think I read somewhere if everyone just grew their like 8-10 vegetables of their own, we could changed the way we eat and food prices. That is not much to ask for a better, healthier future. It always amazed me the amount of time the people in the dream acres spend watering and taking care of the lawn when they could put in a simple garden and have a better return for their money and water.
Heather
Yee-Haw, I am a cowgirl!!!
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kristin sherrill
True Blue Farmgirl
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kristin
chickamauga
ga
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 6:24:42 PM
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I do not like Oprah either, but am glad she did a show on this subject.A lot of people watch her and maybe will get them to thinking about what they eat and what they put into their children's bodies.
The Farmer's Market I am a member of has started a food stamp program. They have gone into the DEFCS offices and really are trying to make more people aware of buying local and eating better.
I have not eaten beef in probably 10 years (unless I get it from a local farmnear here in TN.)and then rarely. My daughter used to buy HB from Walmart until she went on the cattle truck her husband used to drive for. It made her sick to see what those poor cows went through. In fact, my 2 calves came off that truck. They were born on the way to the slaughter house and he rescued them. They would have been knocked in the head, thrown in a pit and sent to the dog food factory. Now they will have a good happy life here. (of course the steer will end up in the freezer, but he'll be treated humanely while here.)
And my pigs are happy pigs, too. I read about the pig operations and how they are on concrete all their short lives. They even have their tails cut off. My pigs are out in the garden rooting around, their tails happily wagging, doing what pigs were born to do. They will also go in the freezer.
I do not feel bad about eating what I've raised. I wouldnt eat anything else, knowing what I know now. I am very fortunate to be able to do this. I have enough land to accomodate what I have now. And I agree with whoever said if it doesn't produce, it's outa here, fast. I just might be butchering some chickens really soon if they don't start laying a few eggs. And wouldn't think twice about it.
Every time I see a nice lawn or empty field, I think about all the sheep or cattle it could hold. Not to mention all the gas it'd save someone to mow it.
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LindaMAlbert
Farmgirl in Training
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Linda
Belgrade
Montana
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 6:25:18 PM
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I would rather become a vegetarian rather than go back to eating factory beef. Yuck! It feels mushy, no texture, no real taste. My husband and son hunt and usually we wind up with an antelope or two and three or four deer. An elk if we're lucky. I'd love for my husband to put in for a buffalo tag. Funny, my mom grew up in the south and eating game meat seemed to have a social stigma. It was what the poor did. So my mother always turned down her father-in-law's offer of venison or elk. But she ate the government commodity canned beef my dad accepted in trade for liquor at the bar (A big BIG no-no, supposed to be a crime, but in a town on the edge of a reservation, every bartender did it). It was terrible, almost 30 percent fat. I blame my childhood diet of that and the commodity process cheese my dad also accepted for my current heal conditions.
On the other hand I could never kill any creature that I spent time taking care of. Pigs- pigs can actually become attached to you. I prefer eating something to which I never had a relationship.
Linda
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catscharm74
True Blue Farmgirl
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Heather
Texas
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 6:43:57 PM
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http://pathtofreedom.com/about/
Again, this family proves with a little hard work and ingenuity, things can change no matter where you live.
Heather
Yee-Haw, I am a cowgirl!!!
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Annika
True Blue Farmgirl
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Annika
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 6:47:44 PM
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Heather I love that site, it is one of my favorites.
Annika
Farmgirl & sister #13
Mud Hen Queen
MJ's Heirloom Maven's Librarian
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Alee
True Blue Farmgirl
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Alee
Worland
Wy
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 7:04:26 PM
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Do you think that one of the problems is the sheer amount of meat we eat?
A serving of protein is only about the size of our palm, but how often do we restrict ourselves to just that amount?
I know our family is really bad about that. My husband consumes huge amounts of meat. It is really starting to worry me. I have gained about 50lbs since moving in with him and he has gained about the same or more!
I remember growing up we would buy the think sliced pork chops, use about 2 lbs of hamburger in spaghetti sauce for 6 people with enough left over to feed us all in leftover the next day. Doug likes to put 2 pounds of hamburger in spaghetti sauce for just one meal for 3 people!!!
So while local meat is more expensive, do you think the price would be more equalized if we ate closer to what we actually need for health? I think so. And I know our family isn't the only one that is like this.
I too have noticed store bought meat has an odor and a look to it. Most places put red dye in their meats to make them look fresher/healthier, Especially hamburger. I have bought chicken, especially the big packs and then had to take them back to the store. Even though they were still within their "Sell By" date, they were really rank! Have you ever seen chicken where the juice looks more greenish? Ick! Sign me up for local meat right now!
Alee
Farmgirl Sister #8
www.awarmheart.com
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catscharm74
True Blue Farmgirl
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Heather
Texas
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2008 : 7:11:39 PM
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Alee, I agree serving size is a problem. Hubby thinks if it is not a 16 oz steak, then he will be hungry. One night, I cut the portion down to half that and added 2 extra helpings of vegetables. Guess what? He didn't go hungry. HMMMMM?????
I a actually getting to the point in the grocery store where I can't even go near the meat, poultry or fish sections. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. And here I thought I was the only one who noticed the horrible look of this stuff. I thought I was crazy.
Hubby is in for a big shock when he gets back. Charlie and I have been eating about 80% vegetarian with a nice big portion of fruit on the side. I lost 20 lbs over the summer, slowly and healthily (is that a word???). With the costs around here of a family size pack of chicken running over $8, I rather spend that on vegetables or rice or something.
Does anyone remember the study they did on aging and found the Okinawans to be the healthiest at aging? I was just researching them again and it is fascinating.
I get so sad when I am in the store and I see someone pushing a loaded cart of processed food down the aisle, probably the only way they can afford to feed their families or they are truly clueless. It makes me sad with just looking at the packaging alone. I am looked at rather strangely with my cloth vegetable/fruit bags but I do have some people ask, so maybe I will start a revolution in my town. : )
Heather
Yee-Haw, I am a cowgirl!!!
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