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babysmama Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 10:46:55 AM
I saw an ad for the new cleaners from Clorox that are green. Are these really or do they still have a lot of nasty stuff in them? Has anyone tried them? I noticed them at Wal-mart and they really aren't expensive but I'd like to know more.
-Elizabeth
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chicken necker Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 9:11:11 PM
www.ahherbncraft.com This is a website for a women I met at the Amish market close to my home.
Though I can't vouch for every product she sells, I can tell you she's the real thing. If you don't have time to make it yourself, like me with my galley kitchen, try some of these. And she does make everything herself, I've seen her do it! One product I can and will endorse is the "Worlds Best Bathroom Cleaner". But not just for the bathroom. I have one of those glass top stoves than you "have" to use the manufacturers lotions to get the stuff off. Well, that only works if you spend hours cleaning up after dinner. This stuff got it sparkling clean in under 15 minutes.

I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by. ~anon
Leezard Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 3:34:27 PM
I agree with ya some Elizabeth. I don't really think that there will ever come a day that all people will make their own cleaning products or purchase homemade ones from someone so I think it's generally better that they use something more natural that isn't as hamful to them or their children. I sure wish it wasn't that way but I just don't know if this ship we're all on will ever get fully turned around. I also have friends that will most likely never go natural, they are almost against it to the point that they go out of their way not to buy natural or organic products. This past weekend I gave out some samples of the laundry soap I made to four friends and they were welcomed just as I figured by each one. Two warmly welcomed it and were really excited to try it out on their next loads of laundry while two just looked at me like I was a little nuts. No worries for me though, I'll keep making my homemade goods and offering them to the last two every now and again and maybe someday they'll figure it out. Like much in life, sometimes you just have to keep being an example for certain people.

http://ruby--slippers.blogspot.com/
www.leezard.etsy.com
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 12:54:47 PM
wow! thanks for that Lori! I have been trying to find something like that!! That's why I am a bit of an organic snob. I am glad that stores are starting to carry organics, but really, IMHO if it came across the country it isn't organic. If a corporation is owning it, that makes it even worse.

Most people think they are supporting the greater organic good by buying these products, when really they should be learning to grow their own or buy from a local organic farmer if they want to go this super trendy route.

it's all so angering and ridiculous.

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Canadian farmgirl Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 12:34:52 PM
Here's an interesting link to lots more information about who owns who in the organic world:

http://www.certifiedorganic.bc.ca/rcbtoa/services/corporate-ownership.html


Lori
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 12:29:28 PM
elizabeth, I don't think picking the lesser of two evils is the best. It would be like not favoring any candidate for President but choosing the one you dislike the least. It profits you nothing but continued ill health. If people are educated in the use of the chemicals versus using natural items, their effectiveness as well as cost, I REALLY think most people would opt for the cheaper and healthier option.

It seems though, for some people (i know some of these people too...) even their household cleaners are a status symbol, you know what I mean.

ultimately though, as with anything education is the key. Ignorance is the EASIEST thing to overcome.

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
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"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'
babysmama Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 12:17:01 PM
I hate how these compaines sell out to big companies too. But, do you think that these "green" products are the lesser of the two evils? Meaning, there are many customers out there that would never make their own cleaners or purchase from an organic company that makes cleaners but if they saw a green cleaner with a name they trust (Clorox) on it they may start to purchase that and isn't it better that these products will at least reduce some of the harmful chemicals being used?
I have been trying to convince my friend to switch to natural cleaners (I keep swearing the mopping with vinegar/water is great and leaves a great fresh smell once it is dry) but she says she only thinks clean when she smells Pine-sol and bleach. Her poor kids are being exposed to it many times weekly as she is a clean freak and washes her floor every day (who has the time?!!) lol
-Elizabeth
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:51:34 AM
Annie's sells to Walmart. I stopped buying as soon as I heard and it made me so very sad. They have really great products.

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
http://youtube.com/profile?user=GaiasRose
Homepage:
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"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'
kissmekate Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:42:14 AM
okay, so who did Annies sell out to? I have not heard this...

Burt's did really well on their own, that is the frustrating part for me!


Don't miss out on a blessing, just because it isn't packaged the way you expected. ~MaryJo Copeland
Leezard Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:36:30 AM
Isn't it sad how much power money has over people. As you said Tasha, these companies already have such a strong following and a company like Clorox is no competition to a company like Burts so other than more money I don't see any other reason for them selling out.

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GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:26:42 AM
yep....we stopped buying burts awhile back and thanks kate from bringing up the bandwagon issue with regard to the REAL green motivator....

it makes me sad that so many formerly eco savvy and small guy savvy companies are going so freakin' corporate....Burts, Toms, Annies, etc....makes me angry. they have a following and a strong one, why sell out? grrr.

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
http://youtube.com/profile?user=GaiasRose
Homepage:
http://ForestFaeries.etsy.com
"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'
kissmekate Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:18:36 AM
I saw these products and here's what I think....
I think it is Clorox's attempt at jumping on the "Green" bandwagon to cash in on uninformed consumers.

I know I won't be buying this line. And once I finish using up my Burt's Bees products, I won't be buying that line either, as Clorox owns them.
I've stopped buying Tom's of Maine for the same reason.

I wish these big conglomerates will just leave well enough alone!




Don't miss out on a blessing, just because it isn't packaged the way you expected. ~MaryJo Copeland
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:16:39 AM
the soap might hurt because fels naptha has petro chems in it. the better and more eco friendly alternative to the fels is castille, like Kirk's. I use vinegar and rubbing alcohol to clean the toilet and it comes out just fine and stays clean. our upstairs toilet is another matter though. I don't know what it is,. but I always have rust stains in that toilet just days after I clean it. So I use borax int hat toilet and follow with the vinegar and alcohol.

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
http://youtube.com/profile?user=GaiasRose
Homepage:
http://ForestFaeries.etsy.com
"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'
babysmama Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 11:07:22 AM
Thanks Tasha for the links!! I do use mainly vinegar, baking soda, and borax for cleaning but sometimes I get lazy and want something quick. What do you use for cleaning your toilet? Lately I have just been taking my homemade dry laundry soap (borax, washing soda, and a little Fels Naptha) and scrubbing the toilet with that. It seems clean, but I hope I am not hurting it with the grated soap mixed in there!
I won't be buying the Clorox!
-Elizabeth
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 10:56:10 AM
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/clorox-green-works.php

here's what treehugger has to say about it. See, I am not a fan of any commercial cleaners at all. I use bronners in the bathroom along with vinegar and borax and rubbing alcohol. The only commercials other than bronners (which I wouldn't even call it commercial, really,) is murphy's oil soap and seventh generation liquid dish soap-which is just liquid castille soap....even the 'green' commercial cleaners are suspect as treehugger pointed out, becuase the "natural" word is so thrown about and totally unregulated. If you want truly natural, go right to the sources, or opt for commercial cleaners that are certified organic if you really feel the need to use commercial cleaners (quite honestly, my big jug of vinegar lasts 100 times longer than any commercial cleaner would in a home with crazy messy kids and a hubby that doesn't always turn the light on an aim in the middle of the night...)

jus tmy two cents worth given this is something I teach on locally....it's dear to me because it involves our health overall...

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
http://youtube.com/profile?user=GaiasRose
Homepage:
http://ForestFaeries.etsy.com
"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'
GaiasRose Posted - Jan 24 2008 : 10:49:58 AM
i'll stay safe altogether, avoiding Mal-wart and 'green' cleaners made by clorox. sticking with my vinegar, borax and other natural mineral cleaners....

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~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
Farmgirl Sister #88

Blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://womonandsprout.wordpress.com
http://youtube.com/profile?user=GaiasRose
Homepage:
http://ForestFaeries.etsy.com
"Joyful chaos, working in tune with the seasons, telling itme by the sun, variety, change and self-direction; all this wwas replaced with a brutal, standardized work culture, the effects of which we are still suffering from today." - Tom Hodgkinson in 'How To Be Idle'

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