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Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 06:55:00 AM
Does anyone else here follow WAPF?
-Deb
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| twink |
Posted - Nov 06 2009 : 7:48:21 PM
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Originally posted by Singing Tree Farm
I have the Nourishing Traditions book. I'm in agreement with that train of thinking. I can't quite come anywhere close to the raw meat, though. I like mine well dead!! Just last week I tried to buy the kefir grains from the Hoeggers catalog and she said she could no longer get them. I have another number but have not had any luck there either. I also have her book Eat Fat Loose Fat. Unfortunatly I gained weight the summer and have some to loose. I have been following it since Monday and have lost five pounds.
All of creation sings Your praise!
I can't do raw meat either. When I was growing up I remember a local bar used to have Tiger Meat Night. It was years before I knew that Tiger Meat was just raw hamburger mixed with spices and stuff. Blech. Who in the world would eat that?? Not me. Mine has to be well dead, too.
5 lbs already? Good for you! I have the book Eat Fat Lose Fat, as well. I bought it mostly for the information on coconut oil, but the information on losing weight is worth it's weight in gold. Have you seen the book A Life Unburdened? It's been reviewed at WAPF by Sally Fallon and got about a triple thumbs up. I ordered it for a friend who desperately needs to lose about 200 lbs and just won't listen to anyone but his doctor. Poor guy just keeps getting fatter and fatter and he's starving to death. He can see that it isn't making sense, but he doesn't want to admit that his doctor is probably not his best source for nutritional information.
Hoeggers -- the goat people? I order from them too, in fact that's where I purchased my bread and butter machine. Wouldn't be without it, but I rarely use it to make bread. I just use the dough setting and then I bake my bread in the regular oven. Otherwise the loaves get too square and bulky like. I'm still hunting high and low for a wooden butter paddle. They aren't easy to find at a reasonable price.
I don't use kefir grains, I use the stuff (powdery) from the health food store, in the fridge section. I think the company is YoGourmet, but I'd love to try the real grains that look like cauliflower florets. I even feed kefir to my little granddaughter. She loves it and she also likes yogurt. I like to make Greek Yogurt. She goes nuts for that because it's thicker. She is over a year old now, so we can use just honey in our yogurt. My favorite summer breakfast is greek honey yogurt (or kefir) with blueberries and chunks of avocado. YUM!
-Deb
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| Miss2Missus |
Posted - Nov 06 2009 : 7:19:14 PM
thanks for sharing this. its great info.
Karen ^_^
http://frommisstomissus.blogspot.com/ |
| Singing Tree Farm |
Posted - Nov 06 2009 : 7:08:15 PM
I have the Nourishing Traditions book. I'm in agreement with that train of thinking. I can't quite come anywhere close to the raw meat, though. I like mine well dead!! Just last week I tried to buy the kefir grains from the Hoeggers catalog and she said she could no longer get them. I have another number but have not had any luck there either. I also have her book Eat Fat Loose Fat. Unfortunatly I gained weight the summer and have some to loose. I have been following it since Monday and have lost five pounds.
All of creation sings Your praise! |
| twink |
Posted - Nov 06 2009 : 07:25:31 AM
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Originally posted by kristin sherrill
I have the book, too. I do alot of fermenting myself. I am into Kambucha right now. I had some kefir grains but let them go bad. I was very upset. I can get more, just need to do it. I have 3 qts. of sauerkraut in the fridge now that I just cut up and put in jars layered with salt and smooshed down real tight. It is crunchy. But I just eat it raw.
Before I got my milk goats I was getting raw cow milk from a few dairys near by. They both sold out a year or so ago. All but one of the dairys out here have sold out. If they had gone to raw milk they would have made a fortune. I have a friend that has a Jersey so when my goats are dyr I get milk from her at $5 a gallon. I sell my goat milk for $8 a gallon or $5 a 1/2 gallon.
I like to eat good and do most of the time. But sometimes I just want some good ole biscuits and gravy! That's what I am having now. Oh so darn good! I don't do it much but I love it. I did pick some mixed greens and they are in the sink getting washed for dinner tonight. That's all that's left of my garden.
But as far as the raw milk, I prefer goat but do drink cow when they are dry. I could not drink store milk ever again. I also have a 16 month old heifer I will breed when she's closer to 2 and try to milk her. She's not a big cow and I have been getting her used to being touched on the udders already. She's just stand there so I hope she'll let me milk her. I'm also thinking about getting a half Jersey heifer calf. So if anyone near here needs milk in a few years, let me know!
Kris
Happiness is simple.
Yep, I eat my sauerkraut raw, too, for gastric/heartburn issues (that are now gone, BTW). But the recipe, no matter how much I layered, salted and packed down the cabbage just wasn't anything but salty cabbage. I've found a couple of recipes in the NT book that just don't work for me, no matter what. Most of them are do-able, with a few changes, especially if I can't locate the ingredients they call for, which is common around here. I live in the middle of nowhere so I have to order most everything, or ask my HFS to order it. After I found the Amish recipe I decided that using a little boiled water wasn't going to kill off everything good and would at least bring it to a texture that I was looking for. The recipe worked, and I can tell that the healthy enzymes are still there, because it still helps my occasional heartburn issues. Works for me and it's a lot better than using OTC stuff.
Kombucha is something I never was interested in, and I'm kinda glad. I trust and respect the opinions of Dr. Ralph Moss, and he recently wrote a two-part article about Kombucha. I will post Part II here first (because it's the meat of the article), but I will also post Part I so you have the full article to read.
Part II http://www.cancerdecisions.com/content/view/227/2/lang,english/
Part I
http://www.cancerdecisions.com/content/view/226/2/lang,english/
I'm also going to post the page from my forum where I also posted this information: http://healthtalk.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=5230&highlight=kombucha#5230
I'll stick with organic coffee and even a bit of tea. I love to drink out of tea cups but I'm not ALL that big on tea. Some of it is just awful. I do like Earl Gray, Princess Gray, Lady Gray, and a holiday blend made by my local HFS, but otherwise I'm not much for tea. I ended up with a tea cup collection that had belonged to my MIL, so I use the cups a lot. But I drink coffee out of them. Ha!
I'm with you on the store bought milk - yuckola. Besides, once it's pasteurized there isn't anything left in it that a human can use anyway. And when it's also homogenized and the fats are gone, why bother?? No enzymes, no fats -- it's like buying white water. Not me, man. As long as I spend money on food, it's gonna be healthy food as much as possible.
I like my raw milk and cream because I like to make my own butter. I try to eat at least 1/2 cup butter every day. The goodness of real, homemade butter is unmatched, IMPO.
-Deb
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Nov 06 2009 : 06:29:48 AM
I have the book, too. I do alot of fermenting myself. I am into Kambucha right now. I had some kefir grains but let them go bad. I was very upset. I can get more, just need to do it. I have 3 qts. of sauerkraut in the fridge now that I just cut up and put in jars layered with salt and smooshed down real tight. It is crunchy. But I just eat it raw.
Before I got my milk goats I was getting raw cow milk from a few dairys near by. They both sold out a year or so ago. All but one of the dairys out here have sold out. If they had gone to raw milk they would have made a fortune. I have a friend that has a Jersey so when my goats are dyr I get milk from her at $5 a gallon. I sell my goat milk for $8 a gallon or $5 a 1/2 gallon.
I like to eat good and do most of the time. But sometimes I just want some good ole biscuits and gravy! That's what I am having now. Oh so darn good! I don't do it much but I love it. I did pick some mixed greens and they are in the sink getting washed for dinner tonight. That's all that's left of my garden.
But as far as the raw milk, I prefer goat but do drink cow when they are dry. I could not drink store milk ever again. I also have a 16 month old heifer I will breed when she's closer to 2 and try to milk her. She's not a big cow and I have been getting her used to being touched on the udders already. She's just stand there so I hope she'll let me milk her. I'm also thinking about getting a half Jersey heifer calf. So if anyone near here needs milk in a few years, let me know!
Kris
Happiness is simple. |
| twink |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 6:41:22 PM
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Originally posted by City Chick
I have the book - Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon who (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is the president(?) of WAPF now?????
We do a "modified" version of NT in our home. Certain things I know my husband won't go for, so I do the best I can.
Farm Girl #790
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Yes, Sally Fallon is the President of WAPF and has the NT cookbook. But my family was like yours -- some stuff they'd eat, some stuff they wouldn't. Now that we have an empty nest, DH and I eat a modified WAPF, but we try to stay fairly close. Around the holidays, though, it's a complete bust! We go waaaay off course.  Biscotti, fudge, Swedish Limpa Bread, Puppy Chow ... Oh man, I hate to even admit that!
-Deb
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| twink |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 6:27:27 PM
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Originally posted by walkinwalkoutcattle
Dumb question here...does raw milk taste like regular milk?
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
www.cattleandcupcakes.blogspot.com
I'll be honest with you. I grew up with raw milk and then got away from it for several years when we "moved to the big city".  Now that we've found someone who supplies it for us, I hafta say the first time I drank it again after all those years, it DID taste a little "cowie" but a glass later I was back into the swing.
Goat milk is preferred by some, especially those with digestive issues. I can honestly say I like cow milk better, but the goat milk ain't too bad with just a touch of Hershey's syrup!! (Not a WAPF idea, I must say)... 
-Deb
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| twink |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 6:24:33 PM
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Originally posted by MommaJ9
Hi Deb! I am a follower of the WAPF! My family and I have been eating this way for a couple of years now...most of the time. There's always something growing or fermenting on the counters or some broth simmering away...I love it! We can only afford to buy 1 gallon of raw milk a week (@ $11.99!), but are hoping to add a dairy cow in the spring. With 6 kids still at home, it should pay for itself pretty quickly!
Farmgirl #783
http://jabezfarm.blogspot.com
Holy socks! $11.99/gallon?? What'd they do -- line their barn in gold filagree??! Man, I pay $4 / gallon for cow milk, $5 / gallon for raw goat milk, $4 / qt for nice thick cream, $2.50 per dozen eggs from pasture fed chickens. It took us a while to find someone who had an opening for us (all the raw producers around here are booked solid, especially the goat milk people). I can't believe people buy that nice fresh goat milk and make soap out of it. I mean, I love the soap but soooooo many babies with digestive issues could REALLY make use of that goat milk -- if only I could convince the Mom's.
I, too, always have something fermenting on my kitchen counters. Today it's buttermilk and kefir. This weekend it's time to make sauerkraut and my "special" sauerkraut where I add a little red and green (sweet) pepper, a little green onion and a little celery. This stuff is AWESOME if you fry it in the pan after you've fried pork chops. I make mine just a tad different than Sally's recipe though. I tried her way about five times and I always ended up with salty, hard cabbage. So I followed a recipe from an Amish cookbook (where you add boiled water to the jars and leave them loosely lidded for 10 - 12 days) and viola -- the best sauerkraut on the planet.
I'm sooooo glad to hear of others here who use the WAPF ideas. I think those people really have it together, don't you?
-Deb
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| City Chick |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 06:57:52 AM
I have the book - Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon who (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is the president(?) of WAPF now?????
We do a "modified" version of NT in our home. Certain things I know my husband won't go for, so I do the best I can.
Farm Girl #790
http://www.xanga.com/My_Pondering_Place
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| gr8tfulmom |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 05:24:05 AM
Raw milk is sooooo much better (imo) and I miss it so much. We grew up with 4 gallons of milk from our dairy friend each week. The cream is divine and I loved to put it on my cereal as a kid. Just did a little researching of mini-jerseys in hopes of one day having raw milk again.
Farmgirl sister #779
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| walkinwalkoutcattle |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 04:44:06 AM
Dumb question here...does raw milk taste like regular milk?
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
www.cattleandcupcakes.blogspot.com |
| MommaJ9 |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 10:51:53 PM
Hi Deb! I am a follower of the WAPF! My family and I have been eating this way for a couple of years now...most of the time. There's always something growing or fermenting on the counters or some broth simmering away...I love it! We can only afford to buy 1 gallon of raw milk a week (@ $11.99!), but are hoping to add a dairy cow in the spring. With 6 kids still at home, it should pay for itself pretty quickly!
Farmgirl #783
http://jabezfarm.blogspot.com |
| twink |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 8:00:48 PM
A lot of us grew up eating "normal" foods and didn't realize how lucky we were. We didn't realize that by the time we had families of our own, the foods would be pasteurized and sterilized to death.
I learned a lot from my Mom and both of my gramma's, but today's world is sooooo different and there are so many more things to beware of that weren't even thought of back when I was a kid.
I make my own butter and cottage cheese. Sometimes I get really ambitious and make my own cream cheese, too.
-Deb
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| Marybeth |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 10:50:06 AM
Sounds interesting, Deb. Sounds like the way of life I grew up with and have continued today. MB
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| twink |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 09:14:37 AM
It is a "back to the basics" way of eating. Homemade bone broths (the way your gramma made them), raw milk, eggs from pasture fed chickens, grass fed beef, etc. I grew up on grass fed Hereford beef, not knowing it would become a "luxury" in my later life!
There is sooooo much information at WAPF it's just amazing. There is also a printed journal that comes out quarterly that I wouldn't be without. Packed, absolutely, packed with useful, sound, common sense advice.
WAPF stands for Weston A. Price Foundation. Weston Price was a dentist who, back in the 1930's or so, traveled the world trying to figure out why America was so unhealthy compared to other cultures. What were THEY doing that we weren't doing. He made some great discoveries and literally found the key to helping with degenerative diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, etc. Most of our diseases are immune based problems, and are nutritionally "fixable". Most people don't realize that the immune system's "home base" is in the gut. If the food you eat isn't quality stuff, and you can't digest it properly, how healthy can any of us be??
Anyway, take your time and check out the many facets of this most interesting Web site. I've been a member there for almost 10 years (since it's inception) because when I was a new mom (many years ago) I breastfed my babies, which wasn't fashionable in the 70's. Go figure. This was the only place in recent years that I was able to find really good information on breastfeeding to pass on to my kids and their spouses. Now they go to WAPF for all their questions about food and health related stuff.
Here's the link: http://www.westonaprice.org/ Click "Enter the Site" and go from there.
It takes a while for people to realize that these folks are educated professionals with YEARS of experience and they know what they're talking about. Some of the concepts are almost unbelieveable to some folks (like the idea that cholesterol isn't the killer you've been led to believe - I know from firsthand medical experience that this is true because most people brought into the ER with heart problems have cholesterol that is low -- sometimes too low, so why are we blaming high cholesterol for everything these days)? You really need to keep reading and learning, as I did. It took a while for me to grasp the concept of something so very obvious, too.
I'd be pleased to answer any questions you might have.
-Deb
P.S. Sorry this message is kinda disjointed. I've been working on it for about 2 hours because I keep getting interrupted!
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| GailMN |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 07:15:20 AM
I don't think so - what is it?
Farmgirl Sister #506
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