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| willowtreecreek |
Posted - Oct 02 2007 : 2:48:12 PM
Sorry for causing any problems. |
| 25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Carol Sue |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 7:08:00 PM
LOL
I had no idea who she was or is either....
listening to the quiet moments |
| CountryBorn |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 3:13:56 PM
Ann I agree with you, I don't think I want to meet her either!!
At least I wasn't the only one who didn't know her! I don't have cable,maybe that could be the reason!
MJ
There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do. Freya Stark |
| KYgurlsrbest |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 09:14:28 AM
Actually, I've both watched her (in restaurants where they have the tv blaring) and seen her parodied on Saturday Night Live. I don't have anything nice to say, so I won't  --well about the real gal--the Saturday Night live is skit is OH so worth it!
"She was built like a watch, a study in balance ... with a neck and head so refined, like a drawing by DaVinci"...
NY Newsday sportswriter Bill Nack describing filly, Ruffian. |
| Phils Ann |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 09:10:05 AM
I didn't know, either, MJ :-) but I don't think I want to "meet" her.
Ann
Sairy Hill Thicket
There is a Redeemer. |
| willowtreecreek |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 08:10:57 AM
She is a CNN journalist that has been involved in some pretty contrversial cases and interviews.
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| CountryBorn |
Posted - Oct 25 2007 : 07:41:05 AM
I can just tell I am probably the only one who doesn't know this....... But who is Nancy Grace?
MJ
There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do. Freya Stark |
| katmom |
Posted - Oct 24 2007 : 10:18:10 PM
Dear MJ & Brenda,
I love "Hogs & Quiches" for a place to go for farmgirl support. To share our "moments" of pain or discouragement, but also to us to share our triumphs & joys.
Mj, You are so very right, in your comment above...our world is not all that horrible, but thanx to the news media, and it strives on sensationalism, it resorts to attention grabbing topics, after all, news sells!
I can truly say, for me, I detest Nancy Grace, she is self serving and has no genuine compassion as far as I am concerned.
I for one would love to see more positive news reporting, but am realistic enough to know that some very dark things do go on in our communities. But that is what gives us the opportunity to rally around each other in support & love.
I think we are blessed to live in one of the most wonderful countries, with rights that others can only dream of.
Oh my goodness, I had better get down off my soap box.
MJ, thank you for this wonderful forum.
Farm sisters thank you for your friendship & for allowing me to share my thoughts just as I respect you for your thoughts..
Blessings to you all.
>^..^< Happiness is being a katmom.
www.katmom4.blogspot.com |
| MaryJane |
Posted - Oct 24 2007 : 10:54:09 AM
Hi Amie,
Since farmgirl support has become such an important part of this forum, it'll now have its own home.
Hogs & Quiches Round-up
Farmgirl hugs and kisses, prayers, and support. Give ‘em and get ‘em here!
http://www.maryjanesfarm.org/snitz/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=35
Hope to see you there!
MaryJane |
| Amie C. |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 7:45:38 PM
Sorry, Maryjane and Libbie, if I misunderstood what you were saying. I did not check the message board over the weekend, and when I looked at the thread on Monday it looked as though Libbie had asked that the posts be removed and the topic closed. I was suprised because there has been plenty of discussion of other difficult topics here and the dismissal of this one so summarily seemed out of character. No offense, Libbie, but it really did sound to me as though you were saying "Yes, that's a terrible thing that happened but we don't want any ugly things to intrude here so please don't talk about it." I guess this is a case of not being able to read the tone and intention behind someone's written post.
I've noticed in the past year that a lot of people have been going through some difficult things...or maybe people are feeling more comfortable turning to their friends here for support than they did in the first year that I was reading and posting. Is that taking this message board in a direction you don't want it to go? It seems to me as though people who post about such things get a lot of support and appreciate it. But I can understand that you might want the online chat to focus on more practical, how-to stuff. After all, you are the hostesses, so to speak... Could you please just clarify: would you prefer that we not post here about death in the family, illness, family stress, child abuse, etc? |
| Marybeth |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 2:31:15 PM
Thank you MaryJane. You are a calming voice. MB
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| MaryJane |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 1:58:48 PM
I’m not sure how or why this thread has gotten so…um, heightened. Certainly no one here and certainly not Libbie, asked anyone to delete anything or go back to old posts and delete them. Libbie didn’t say anything about nicety standards or censorship. Where these notions come from, I’m not sure. Perhaps it comes from what Patricia mentioned. But if you read Libbie’s posts, you won’t find them there. Julie deleted her own posts, like she said, out of consideration for those who might be offended. Given what her little town is going through right now, it’s understandable to have a strong reaction to just about anything. Libbie’s “innocent enough” post about focusing on the good in the world [and avoiding too much emphasis on the gory details of rapists and murderers] was more of a reaction to Brenda’s post I think because we really DON'T want to, no we WON'T be, a version of TV’s Nancy Grace or MOST newspapers for that matter. (And if you know Brenda, she’s an angel on earth--I had lunch with her last Sunday.) But re-read the list of topics we created when we launched this forum and then consider this: every now and then, someone tries to launch a GOOD NEWS only newspaper and it fails, not for lack of content, but for lack of readership and revenue. Why? Perspective is everything. Things like WAR and violence are talked about daily and people in the “bad news” business scramble to best each other and we get sucked into that. But there’s another way to look at human beings. For example, at any given moment in time there’s an OUTBREAK OF PEACE if you stop to think about it--if you buy into another perspective that is. Peace fluctuates, but anywhere from 85-95% of the world’s human beings are figuring out how to live in peace WITHOUT WAR for extended periods of time, even though conflicts arise. Some nations have never gone to war. Accolades!!!! Only a small percentage of people then really fight and kill. But when we allow it to be so over emphasized, violence begets violence--a strong and valid argument against violent TV, movies, child porn, etc. (It also wrecks havoc on our innocence and makes it hard to ACT and talk hopeful.) We are what we eat and we are what we think and we are what we talk about. Let’s all take Kay’s advice and drop our “defense” tools. Better yet, avoid picking them up next time! We’re closer to like-minded than we’re “led” to believe.
In positivity and light,
MaryJane |
| willowtreecreek |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 1:15:27 PM
I feel really sad that this post has turned into an argument over what should and should not be posted and has lost the nature of what I originally came here for. I deleated my original comments out of respect for those who felt offended and not out of anger to anyone. I voiced my opinion and I was done. I feel like I have started more by trying to end something. I appreciate those of you who have offered up thoughts and prayers but PLEASE let's just leave it at that. I came here out of need for comfort and not with the intentions of starting an argument.
If you wish to pray for the boy I am greatful as is he, I am sure.
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| Annika |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 12:43:46 PM
Me too
I'm here for all of you, regardless. If we need to take it off the board, then we do. If it is making the board too upsetting for some then we owe them the right to feel comfortable here too. It's easy, make a blog to deal with harsher issues, not associated with the farmgirl board, but open to those that need to vent, cry and deal with tough issues, make it private.People can ask to come in if they need to. I dunno. Julie deserves to be able to talk this out with farmgirl friends to lend comfort and support without upsetting the spirit of the board.
I'm on pain killers for my teeth and not the brightest lately, but I DO and always WILL want to help. It is a joy to comfort and support others.
Wishing you joy in small things and peace in your heart
Annika
http://panzymoon.wordpress.com/ |
| lisamarie508 |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 12:01:05 PM
I am here to support ALL of you in spirit and in prayer regardless of the situation as you all have done for me more than once. The fact that I or anyone of us can come on this forum and ask advice, tell a joke or cry on other's shoulders is what makes this forum a safe haven for us.
Julie, I've been where you are (though not as a teacher) and I've been where that boy is. If you feel the need to talk or just have a shoulder to cry on, you can email me directly.
my blog: http://lisamariesbasketry.blogspot.com/
My Website:
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| DaisyFarm |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 11:49:18 AM
Amen Patricia. |
| junkjunkie |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 11:35:26 AM
Ok.....I don't think we were dwelling on the negative....but were offering support and prayers or thoughts. I didn't see this as a ranting at all, and there are all kinds of negatives and pain in life that people go through and are discussed. Again, I think it's wonderful that we can use the forum for support, whatever you are going through, and it's never a problem (for me)and I'm sure others, that we can vent. We should be able to share our experiences and feel that we are not alone. I know from reading other past posts that I felt comforted in knowing that I can relate to what someone else is going through, and maybe you can give advice or not, but basically you sort of feel like we're all in it together, regardless of where we live or what we do. I don't want to stir up any pots, and I'm not trying to make trouble...just stating my opinion. I won't say anything more about it.
"To have life in focus, we must have death in our field of vision." Benedictine monk John Main |
| Utahfarmgirl |
Posted - Oct 23 2007 : 11:01:36 AM
It is beginning to look to me like all the outrage, sadness and rage that we feel when something like this happens is causing us to be super-sensitive with each other. Let's get some perspective back and realize that bad things happen to good people every day. If we dwell on the negatives we stay stuck there and attract more of the same. If we are to truly help, we must replace the fear and anger with love and I think that's what this forum attempts to do. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's necessary.
Farmgirl hug,
Patricia
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| junkjunkie |
Posted - Oct 22 2007 : 4:59:02 PM
I haven't read this entire thread, but when I read Julie's posts, it wasn't at all offensive to me, it was discreet, but you knew what was going on. I thought this forum was for women to share and discuss their lives, good or bad, like you were sitting with a good friend and talking. I've read all types of troubles about a few members on this site, and I think it's great that everyone seems comfortable enough to vent and open up and get the feedback or help they need! Everyone seems respectful and responds in a nice way, which is what attracts a lot of people to this site. Don't get me wrong, I can understand when someone really gets nasty and insults someone, or uses offensive language, or is threatening in any way, but I didn't see this thread that way at all. It was just someone going through a really tough time and needing help. I'm surprised that you felt that is had to be deleted, and wasn't up to "niceties" standards, but this is, unfortunately, real life, and it can be pretty horrible! All I can say is that I'm surprised. Just MHO. Judy
"To have life in focus, we must have death in our field of vision." Benedictine monk John Main |
| therusticcottage |
Posted - Oct 22 2007 : 1:10:43 PM
First off I want to say to Julie how sorry I am for this horrible tragedy. It is always hard to hear of something like this happening to a child. But it's especially hard when you know the child and when it is something that has happened in your own church. I have been praying ever since I read the first post.
Secondly, in my opinion, I think that this topic is going somewhere it shouldn't. It is a very sensitive topic to begin with. It is becoming personal toward other forum members and maybe we just need to step back, take a deep breath, and regroup. Otherwise there are going to be hard feelings and things may be said that will be regretted later.
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| Amie C. |
Posted - Oct 22 2007 : 12:11:17 PM
Wow.
Libbie, is this a policy now? Could you please explain further so we don't have to delete posts after they've been discussed?
I can see wanting to limit discussion of news items that are unpleasant and not in keeping with the "farm girl" theme...but if people want to talk about things going on in their lives, how do you decide what's off limits? Are some issues ok to talk about and others not ok? Does this mean no more prayer/other spiritual support requests for sick family and friends, no asking for advice about family problems, etc? No admitting to feeling sadness or frustration in general? |
| CountryBorn |
Posted - Oct 21 2007 : 7:09:24 PM
Julie, I agree with you 100%. This was something that was was happening in your life and you needed to talk about. Honey, I believe this is what this site is for. Good and Bad things happen in all our lives. We need to be able to express both and not feel judged. Over and over I see support for farmgirls that are going through sad and bad times in their lives. It is repeated, we are here for you. Farmgirls aren't fair weather friends or women who want to bury their head in the sand and pretend all the world is a perfect happy place. You can pretend all you want, but the world is what it is, full of joy and wonder and full of hurt and pain. I don't feel you should delete anything. I for one am here to listen and be here for you and all the other wonderful women on this site.
Mary Jane
There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do. Freya Stark |
| sunshine |
Posted - Oct 21 2007 : 3:19:04 PM
I know these subjects have been talked about on this form from a few differnt people as I was one of those kids that had issues like this and I know there are others on the forum from past discussions I also know there on people on this forum that have children with these issues before adopting them. I never felt bad about discussing it hear nor did the other women we where helping a person through a hard time stating we had been there and under stood. I never saw what willow tree posted when this was originally posted she didn't state what was happening just a real bad day at school and that legal issues where involved. So I don't know what caused the deletion of topics. i just hope and pray for you and the child in question to have peaceful as close to normal lives again.
have a lovely day and may God bless you and keep you safe
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| willowtreecreek |
Posted - Oct 21 2007 : 2:58:36 PM
I did not intend to dwell on pain or cause people to think about things that they did not want to think about. I have lived a pretty open life and don't consider myself to be sheltered. I have heard about stories like this but NEVER imagined this would come so close to home. This has been an extreamly difficult and emotional time for me. This forum was my respit where I could go and find peace with this and get the support from a community who wouldn't ask questions and wouldn't judge but would only support. I am certainly NOT getting that from my REAL community. Personally I think it is great to have a POSITIVE place and I definatly think that is what MJF is but we can not shelter ourselves from the real world. Many people on this forum have dealt with issues such as cancer, divorce, death in the family, etc. and have been welcome to post and discuss what is going on with them. Rape and molestation are "taboo" topics and I know that they are not pleasant ones to think about but this issue is at the FOREFRONT of my life right now. I didn't ask to go through this, that little boy didn't ask to go through this but it has happened. We cant sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen just because it makes us a little uneasy. We can not be a force of and for good if we do not know what we are up against!
That being said I will remove the links I posted associated with this and well cease from discussing it on this forum any further. I apologize for causeing anyone any problems.
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| Libbie |
Posted - Oct 21 2007 : 12:18:06 PM
I've been thinking about this all night, and I'm not saying at all that it's not a place to discuss things that are awful going on in the world, and it's not a case of censoring ourselves in ways that we feel overly stifled. I am simply stating that MaryJane's intention in giving us this forum is to provide a place for each us to lift each other up -- to share ideas that will help us to be a force of and for good in the world, and sometimes dwelling on pain doesn't open the space for positivity to reign. Don't worry - I know we can never please EVERYONE!!!
XOXO, Libbie
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| CountryBorn |
Posted - Oct 20 2007 : 11:24:18 AM
Libbie, Are you saying that we should keep things light and not discuss things that are awful in this world? Please let us know, I would like to know so I don't ever say anything to upset anybody. But,if that is what you mean, I am a bit surprised, and disappointed. I thought this is where women come to share their thoughts and feelings. Not to be censored.
Mary Jane
There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do. Freya Stark |
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