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| dargaonfly1054 |
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 04:17:12 AM
Hi everyone.....first of all let me say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...or happy holidays....... I don't get on here much anymore. Way to busy seems like.
But my reason for writing is this: back in March of 2005 I had a total hysterectomy because of a series of irregular pap smears...I had HPV, or dysplasia....it was high grade back then. Now a year and half later I had a pap smear come back as irregular again!!  I had another appointment yesterday and had a colposcopy and in about a week or two will find out the results of the biopsy that the doctor took. He said it was low grade now and he doesn't seem to be too concerned about it. But it isn't his body!! Any others of you out there with stories to share?
Take care all!! Georgette
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| primjillie |
Posted - Feb 06 2007 : 11:43:29 AM
I'm sorry for your sister, Jo. I think what most people who disagree with the vax are saying is that they wouldn't get it or have their daughters get it, but they are leaving it open to other people. I disagree with the vax until I see more info, but if someone else wants to get it, that is their right and I would support that. We each have to make our own decision when it comes to our bodies. My main objection is to making it manditory. |
| MustangSuzie |
Posted - Feb 06 2007 : 10:09:47 AM
That brings up something I have been thinking about. It seems like men are passing this around as well. What is being done for them?
Blessings....
Sarah
Something I borrowed...
"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." -From The Great Law Of The Iroquois Confederacy.
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| jo Thompson |
Posted - Feb 06 2007 : 08:39:57 AM
Girls, my sister almost died from cervical cancer when she was 28 and married to only ONE man, she got HPV from him. Sorry, I have to disagree with you all, if she'd had the vaccine, she wouldn't have probably had a hysterectomy by the age of thirty with no possibility of children. We probably should keep an open mind about this. Isn't protecting the health and well being of our children worth being open minded and knowing as much as we can before passing judgement..... An open mind allows extra information to pass in, a closed mind is just that, closed. jo
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| KarenP |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 5:59:46 PM
Girls,
I feel it's great we in this great country can agree to disagree about anything!
Everyone has their opinion, on this, But I must agree with Sarah (MustangSuzie)"My problem lies with the government making laws that we HAVE to take that vaccine or any other.",this is what I don't like.
I worry about things like Thalidomide...
"Thalidomide (tha-lid-o-mide) was first marketed in Europe in the late 1950's. It was used as a sleeping pill and to treat morning sickness during pregnancy. At that time no one knew thalidomide caused birth defects."
What could come up down the road for these girls?
We don't know.
Just my 2 cents
KarenP
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| Aunt Jenny |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 10:56:11 AM
I think what Libbie said is very wise. I have sure been reluctant to post on this thread...for fear of others being testy. Sort of ruins my mood to read some of the posts on this one. There has been good info on both sides but gosh..
Jenny in Utah
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| primjillie |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 09:30:31 AM
I don't have HPV, but I am very glad everyone has posted on this thread, since I have learned a lot. I am in favor of some vax, but not all. I just don't think this one has been out long enough to judge it yet. I am also not in favor of making it manditory. I worry with all the vaxes coming out, it creates a false sense of security and many people won't take of themselves, thinking a vax will prevent bad health. I think people need to focus on their health more and what they can do to prevent some of these health problems without resorting to a vax. I hope everyone continues to offer their knowledge on HPV so we can all learn more. |
| Libbie |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 08:07:59 AM
Girls, girls, let’s be farmgirls--patient, considerate, polite, caring, big-hearted, broad-minded, and open to the opinions of others but mostly, let’s not get testy. Beliefs are beliefs, and we're not likely to change anyone else's - only our own. What’s more important than digging in our heels is figuring out how to honor every shape, and every size of belief, big and small. We all have the right to our own beliefs. And since beliefs are formed from a million different life experiences, experienced by a billion (or more!) different individuals, the likelihood of disagreement is enormous. Positive change is all about finding commonality instead.
I love our discussions. But only you can choose to let another person’s opinion be a threat. I like to think of them instead as an opportunity to experience the wonderful diversity that life on earth offers us farmgirls of every stripe and every color!
I am posting this on two different threads that are especially heated, so if you read it twice, you're not "seeing things!"
XOXO, Libbie
"Nothing is worth more than this day." - Goethe |
| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 04:32:19 AM
Bowing out also. The only reason I was in this discussion was the original post asking THOSE WITH HPV to share their stories. I got tangled up in the discussion about personal reasons to get or not get the vaccine related to HPV. I'm sure everyone here can research on the internet and find out what they want to know, or better yet, talk with a physician and draw some conclusion of their own.
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| MustangSuzie |
Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 02:52:24 AM
I think it comes down to personal decision whether you want it or not. There is alot of info to wade thru to make that decision. My problem lies with the government making laws that we HAVE to take that vaccine or any other.
Blessings....
Sarah
Something I borrowed...
"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." -From The Great Law Of The Iroquois Confederacy.
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| ArmyWifey |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 9:36:54 PM
Diane please post. That's what discussion is about ... it doesn't mean we have to agree! ;) SOme of my best friends and I don't agree on lots of things!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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| GaiasRose |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 7:25:10 PM
Just like to point out that cancer.org states that most people will shed the virus on their own without ever even knwoing they had it.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
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| DaisyFarm |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 6:51:36 PM
Wow! I had done some reading and research about HPV and was going to contribute what I had read. But I think I'll just bow out as some are taking this topic and getting their backs up.
I think I'll just stand behind what Libbie said...Libbie you are so very wise.
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| laluna |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 5:23:36 PM
Ooh, tricky situation. I find that oftentimes listening to my body and going with my gut, so to speak, has usually helped me sort things out. Good luck to everyone dealing with what I know is a difficult and often painful situation. |
| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 4:43:05 PM
With all due respect, my physicians, those I've had for the last 15 years since having HPV, have told me that it doesn't go away. Getting rid of the warts doesn't necessarily get rid of the virus that causes them, and doctors can't predict whether one is "cured" or not.
My problem with this argument is that we have physicians saying two different things, two different sets of "facts" that they can make from their research on the virus. Who does one believe? One would tend to believe one's own doctor until something proves that information false. Would you physician be more right than any of mine, and with each case being different and there being more than 100 strains of this virus, would any other case be relevant to my reasoning for treatment?
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| laluna |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 4:22:10 PM
This is something that hangs on for life; it doesn't "go away on its own."
Actually, speaking of basing comments in *fact*, my physician (MD/Ob-Gyn) informed me that sometimes the body does, in fact, shed the virus.
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| katiedid |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 1:20:46 PM
Wow! What a thread!
I have some pretty serious feelings toward immunizations..(it was the MMR that most likely caused my Rheumatoid Arthritis at age 3) and I find it really upsetting that the government require girls to be vaccinated for something that is usually spread thru some sort of sexual contact. But as Tasha said, these things can be "signed off"
In Utah, if you have a religious of philosophical belief against vaxing, you can sign a waiver and your kids go to school...it is a mess, you have to have an interview with a Health Dept. nurse etc...but it is possible, and truthfully, if it were to come to something of this sort here in Utah (I doubt it will, too many mormons) this is what I will do.
Food for thought: I know of someone who was a vicitim of sexual assult, and was tested for HIV at the tender age of 11. I am sure some people get HPV from rape, or other abuse. A mandated vaccine would help victims, I guess...
I am glad to know that you strong FarmGirls all have such feeling, and such interest in these sorts of things...So many people just follow the leaders, doing as we are told. Way to go!!
Knowledge is power, I say.
No one ever really made a difference by staying still and quiet.
FarmGirls Rock,
What a boring world it would be if we all felt the same and had the same oppinions, but let's all remember that if someone "attacks" something I feel strongly about...like buying organic, it doesn't necessarily mean they are attacking me!
Love and light to you all..
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| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:17:55 PM
Tasha, please don't read into what I say and assume that I am saying you are backwoods, po-dunk or anything else. I am saying that you seem to be offering your opinion as fact, or what someone else has researched and told you as fact. There are many scientific points of view which support this vaccine, same as there are some which don't.
I haven't insulted your intelligence- I've just commented on how you present your information.
Having a friend with HPV still doesn't bring you as close to this issue as I am. I was diagnosed more than 15 years ago. I had "breakouts" for five years. I had wonky pap smears for 10 years. And I've been clear for 15 years. That doesn't mean much to me. This is something that hangs on for life; it doesn't "go away on its own." I have to worry about pap smears every six months still. I had to worry about it affecting my unborn children and their births. I have to worry about their futures.
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| Libbie |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 11:41:20 AM
I know I've said this before, but, again, I think it is sooo important to have many points of view and heartfelt suggestions to consider. The vaccine issue, and especially this one's ties to "morality" "right" and "wrong," as we all see fit to define them, make it an especially personal issue. It can be easy to let things slide...and life, being the lovely and complicated thing that it is, just isn't that simple. I thank all of you farmgirls for being able to give any information that others might find useful and helpful. I've referred also to loving how here, we are all under the shelter of "Each Other," and THAT, my farmgirl friends, is a rare and beautiful thing.
XOXO, Libbie
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| GaiasRose |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 10:38:31 AM
If you would like links I can provide them. I have a very good friend who writes for a Women's Magazine and she recently did an article on the vaccine. There are TWO strains, 16 and 18, that are the strains HPV protects against. There are 13 strains that can cause cancer, there are over 100 total strains of HPV. Most people get HPV and dont even know it-or ever know it as you body clears it up on it's own. Gardasil is not going to protect women who have already had sex, because you could already have HPV. It only protects virgins.
Vaccinations are something that I care very much about. I am not just a back woods, po-dunk know nothing making assumptions based on what people tell me. I have an education and I know how to research things FOR MYSELF, so that I can make an informed and well rounded decision.
HPV has hit me personally in that my best friend has it. I see the worry she has when she has to get pap smears done more oten just to make sure she doesn't have cancer....
I believe in science, what I do not believe in, however, is that pumping our bodies full of medications that we don't know enough about is not the answer to health and wellness.
So again, if you would like the links to information (on both sides of the issue) that I have used to base my thoughts on the matter, then I will gladly provide them, however, please do not insult my intelligence by assuming that I have not done the research and consideration on my own but instead have listened to what others have said on the matter.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
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| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 09:52:12 AM
Tasha, what strikes me personally is that you are offering "information" about something that you don't reveal any basis of fact in. What you hear, what you "find out" doesn't mean a whole lot if you don't have some sort of fact to base it on. For every negative you present (about this vaccine, or any vaccine in general), I can present a positive. There is no fact in what we "believe," only in what science has shown about these things, IMO. One can only educate themselves about an issue like this, and not rely on information passed on by others who have no background or education in the topic.
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| GaiasRose |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 09:31:55 AM
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Originally posted by ArmyWifey
I never said anythig against the orignal poster and in many of my other posts said that I feel for her greatly and what she has to go through, the vaccine was bought up and I posted on that as well. I don't appreciate being chastised for posting my opinions when others have their own as well.
I have friends with this disease and I know it can be devestating, the point of this loop is discuss health issues and the vaccine is related to this issue - like it or not the phram companies have their own agendas as well (related to $$$). And my friends readily admit that their infection was related to a promiscuous lifestyle on either their part or their partners/husbands before being in a monogamus relationship. Weather that was true for her or not the fact is that MOST people with HPV have some sexual sin in their past -- and yes I beleive it is sin -- so shoot me!
No I am not naive enough to think that my children don't know what sex is or how that works, or that my 12yo ds isn't going through hormone hell at the moment! PULEEZE! But that doesn't mean I will just let someone else "educate" them or give up talking about purity and why we want that for them --- no baggage in marriage, no std's, etc, etc,etc.
Discussing all aspects of this disease is allowed and may even be helpful to the original poster -- sorry if it frustrated you. Faith for many of us is not a Sunday thing, it affects our entire lives and all the issues related to us as well.
Blessings to the original poster and I hope you are doing well,
Holly
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
ITA Holly, VERY well said. It is all related and What I said, yes, is what works for my family, however, being the activist that I am, I am not going to contain information to myself and not share things that I know so others can make and informed decision instead of an assumed decision.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
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| ArmyWifey |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 08:34:48 AM
I never said anythig against the orignal poster and in many of my other posts said that I feel for her greatly and what she has to go through, the vaccine was bought up and I posted on that as well. I don't appreciate being chastised for posting my opinions when others have their own as well.
I have friends with this disease and I know it can be devestating, the point of this loop is discuss health issues and the vaccine is related to this issue - like it or not the phram companies have their own agendas as well (related to $$$). And my friends readily admit that their infection was related to a promiscuous lifestyle on either their part or their partners/husbands before being in a monogamus relationship. Weather that was true for her or not the fact is that MOST people with HPV have some sexual sin in their past -- and yes I beleive it is sin -- so shoot me!
No I am not naive enough to think that my children don't know what sex is or how that works, or that my 12yo ds isn't going through hormone hell at the moment! PULEEZE! But that doesn't mean I will just let someone else "educate" them or give up talking about purity and why we want that for them --- no baggage in marriage, no std's, etc, etc,etc.
Discussing all aspects of this disease is allowed and may even be helpful to the original poster -- sorry if it frustrated you. Faith for many of us is not a Sunday thing, it affects our entire lives and all the issues related to us as well.
Blessings to the original poster and I hope you are doing well,
Holly
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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| rosebud74a |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 06:40:35 AM
As I health care provider, someone who gives out the HPV vaccine, and as someone who is currently infected with the HPV, I think that I have something of value to share. I can understnd how incredibly frustrating the big pharm companies are. I go to confrences where they are giving out pens, and other useless junk just to get you to write for their particular drug. It is difficult for me to wade through what is good and bad about thier products, I can't imagine how difficult it is for the general public.
That being said, I decided to not get the flu vaccine this year much to the dismay of my co-workers. I have never had the flu shot before and never gotten the flu. I was not really worried about it until I took care of someone who possibly had the flu and then the rest of the day I had patients who where elderly. I was so worried about giving an elderly person the flu. What does this have to do with HPV? I think that it illistrates there is some amount of social responsiblity that we all have in regards to the health of those around us. I was only thinking about myself and my fear of needles and not that I could possibly infect and kill and old lady by my negligance of getting the flu shot.
Education is a wonderful thing, as is strong family values. I think that both of these things will help this country continue to be a great place to live. On the other hand there is emotion and love, that can sometimes take over and neagate all the education that has been given. In my humble opinion(which is all it really is) there is no way to absouletaly control what your children are doing at every second, and if you have the chance to protect your children and the children of others, why not?
Being a current HPV infected person I know that if I was young enough I would get the vaccine. I would do many things if I was young enough :) I am not a bad person nor do feel that I am dirty or that I have been too promiscious in my life. I think that Jonni is right. The orginal post was about HPV and what a terrifying experiance it can be. I can attest to that. I have my repeat pap in 2 months. My colposcopy looked good though, I am keeping my fingers crossed that my pap will come back good. It does mean that I have to have paps every six months now...yuck!
peace,
Stacy
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt, 'This Is My Story,' 1937
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| MustangSuzie |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:05:27 AM
Viruses constantly mutate and change so I really don't see how they are coming up with a vac, or else there would be one for the common cold by now. We definitely have to educate our children. They are bombarded everywhere they turn with sex...sex in the news, sex on tv/movies, sex on the radio in songs (have you really listened to some of the words?) it is all around them. I stumbled upon my (then)11 yr old daughters diary and she had wrote in there about having sex all the time. I know she doesn't, but the idea is already in her head. It is time that parents took back the responsiblity of raising their kids and not leaving it up to societ, government or hollywood.
Blessings....
Sarah
Something I borrowed...
"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." -From The Great Law Of The Iroquois Confederacy.
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| KYgurlsrbest |
Posted - Feb 04 2007 : 12:00:48 AM
This thread began "...anyone else have any (HPV) stories to share?". Tasha, do you have HPV? Armywifey? How about you?
I'm asking because that's what this thread was about. And, the original poster, bless her, I'm sure has long ago stop reading these rants about vaccinations and chastity/abstinence, because, well, that really wasn't helping her, was it? She was probably looking for a bit of alliance, and information, like most of us (complete strangers) who have attempted to make connections here, whether about garden seeds or mother in law issues. Just like the family forum, "problem with husband" thread(s) where we were all enlightened on the definition of submissive (which I happily stayed out of because it's simply a non-issue to me), this became some mission to school us in the way of loose morals/poor parenting, big brother government and just what kind of women get HPV--i.e, most of us who were (sadly) honest on this thread, thank you.
These reacions make it less and less enjoyable to visit this site. I don't care if you're Josephine to your Napoleon. I don't care if you choose to vaccinate your kids or you don't. I find some of these opinions intriguing,and when I have the inkling to satisfy my curiosity, I'll look into the pros and cons FOR MYSELF. More importantly, I've never concerned myself with the methodology in which certain posters' religion was based. I simply went with the feeling that we were all entitled to believe what we each feel is true. According to some here, I'm one of the many on a straight path to hell.
Faith is a strong thing, and we are all impassioned and different in our views, but these views cease to be remarkable when we diminish one another, and forget our compassion, which is our greatest gift.
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