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| Montrose Girl |
Posted - Mar 22 2011 : 06:26:11 AM
SO how do you ladies feel about them? To a point I get it, why we need them, but looking at the list for a baby just throws me into a spin. I definitely have issues with the latest one for young girls. That's a lot of shots for an infant. Not to mention my practitioner wants to give me a tetnus/whooping cough shot after the baby is born. I'm thinking, why? We are sterilizing everything to death. I haven't been sick in over a year, since I changed my eating habits. I used to get a cold at least once, if not twice a year. I'm celebrating. So how much of our sickness is related to what we are eating in the first place and are all these crazy shots more for symptoms than causes?
Would love everyone's input.
Laurie
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| MagnoliaWhisper |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 4:21:50 PM
Thanks and to you too!
http://www.heathersprairie.blogspot.com |
| Montrose Girl |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 09:55:16 AM
end of sept beginning of Oct. Harvest season around these parts and hubby is nervous. there is enough family around, his side is huge! I'm not too worried and know we will have help.
I agree that attitude helps. July isn't too far away! Best of luck.
Laurie
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| MagnoliaWhisper |
Posted - May 05 2011 : 12:30:49 PM
Laurie drs, do the same with me. I'm not saying there is nothing to worry about but both my maternal and paternal grandmothers had children till ripe old ages! I think paternal great grandmother was nearly 50 when she had my grandmother, and my maternal grandmother had her last at 45 she said the only reason he was her last is grandpa died! (plane crash). Any way...I look around at my cousins and I have cousins 15 years older then me having babies. So far so good! I'm in my late 30's. But, so far so good as far as my age goes on having babies. I think some women-maybe ones with genes that aren't the best when it comes to later pregnancies may have problems. But, so far on both sides of my family age doesn't seem to play a part. So I take the drs worries with grains of salt. I think half the battle is keeping a positive attitude, when you have negative thinking going on (not you specifically I mean in general) it can cause your body to make hormones that actually can negatively effect your baby, I think having a positive attitude and not being worried about my age playing in it has helped my pregnancies come out ok. (not saying that it's all in the attitude, I had still born twin boys and was positive the whole time, but the dr said it was a fluke and had nothing to with my health, they didn't know why, but it was a fluke and was no reason they could pin point it to, so any one who lost babies and had a good attitude during pregnancy, I do know that's not every thing to it, I just think it does help though).
When are you due Laurie? I'll probably be popping this one out in July! lol
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| Montrose Girl |
Posted - May 05 2011 : 07:19:05 AM
Thanks everyone for sharing your stories to this question. It is definitely on my mind. On an up note, I got a very good report on the baby's health when I saw the specialist. Me being older and all, doctors worry.
Laurie
http://www.inntheorchardbnb.com/ |
| MagnoliaWhisper |
Posted - May 04 2011 : 8:35:29 PM
*hugs* Robin I am so so sorry!
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| Roxy7 |
Posted - May 04 2011 : 7:09:15 PM
I believe in vaccines just not so many shots mixed into one. We get them one at a time now. When my son got the mmr shot he had seizures and it started night terrors. He has now been dx'd with autism. His language skills dropped dramatically after those shots. We space them out now with hid Dr's support and understanding. She also used thimerasol free vaccines. Not every pediactrician does.
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| walkinwalkoutcattle |
Posted - May 02 2011 : 09:00:16 AM
"The Naturally Healthy Pregnancy" is a great book indeed! :) I think another factor is if your child will be in daycare/homeschooled, etc. Since I'm a stay at home mom, we're putting off the required vaccines for daycare.
Farmgirl #2879 :)
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
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| cjeanjellybean |
Posted - Apr 23 2011 : 7:30:46 PM
We do some, but not others... Our doc is very supportive & has done much independent research on his own. He respects our choices, & gives advice based on the circumstances. If you do give vacs., he recommends spacing them, & giving high doses of vitamin C the day of to counteract the negative effects. He recommends delaying if breastfeeding exclusively, as baby gets much of mama's antibodies. I have a very good, unbiased, just the facts book on vaccinations, that was very helpful in our decision making. A friend has borrowed it, so I don't have them exact title, but I believe the author was Aviva Romme..forgive me if I got it wrong, as I said I don't have it right here to reference. Check you library & Amazon for it. I want to say it might be called, "Vaccinations; a Thoughtful Approach". Another wonderful pregnancy book in general is "The Naturally Healthy Pregnancy" by Shonda Parker. Excellent information! I would say do your research, & follow you convictions...
~Cassie Jean
Farmgirl #1356
" Stand still & let God move." ~The Isaacs |
| walkinwalkoutcattle |
Posted - Apr 20 2011 : 05:48:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html
I'm sure this won't be the last award either-theyre have been billions, and BILLIONS of dollars awarded to families over the years from adverse reactions to vaccines.
I'm choosing to space my vaccines out for my child, and I believe that is the best choice for MY FAMILY and OUR RISK LEVEL. We are not putting our child in daycare, and we are not in an urban area. She will also have all her required vaccinations (Except for Chicken pox, we will be opting out of that one through the legal system in place) before school. I believe it is my responsibility to look BEYOND the person giving the advice, and see who is telling them/paying them to give that advice.
My doctor has discussed with me, at length, about the difference in amount of shots between my generation and todays children. I recieved 8 as a child. Todays children receive 32. 4 TIMES the amount of chemicals! If we're so worried about being organic, overloading our systems with vaccines seems backwards. To me, slowly vaccinating so the body doesn't get overloaded seems like a fair compromise, and my doctor fully backs it.
Farmgirl #2879 :)
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
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| 4forMe |
Posted - Apr 20 2011 : 04:13:12 AM
I had a discussion with my pediatrician about two of my friends who both have sons diagnosed with Autism. Both of my friends say their babies were normal toddlers (interacting with others, walking, talking, etc)until the 18 month mark when they received their scheduled vaccines. Their Dr.s and the drug companies claim it is a coincidence that their boys ended up with Autism after the vaccines. I asked my pediatrician as we were noticing my then 9 month old son chatting (in baby talk), making eye contact and laughing with us, I said "what do you say to a mother of a baby like this who gets their vaccines and then the child becomes withdrawn and no longer interacts with others?" Do you say "oh darn, sorry". My pediatrician then just shrugged his shoulders and said "it is up to you, I will support your decision to wait".
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| Dusky Beauty |
Posted - Apr 15 2011 : 5:32:52 PM
I wasn't referring to medications being a doctor's job, but I do mean that you (should) expect your pediatrician to know how dangerous it is to be going around your town without vaccines, I haven't pressed mine for the gritty details, but she works with a lot of low income and immigrants too, and I'm sure she's had to treat babies with these ailments she has my children on a vaccination schedule to prevent.
Different medications do come and go, but the majority of vaccines have been around for a long time, and i chose a pediatrician to be an expert on what's best for my child. I'm fortunate to live in an area with a lot of medical schools and competition for practices is stiff as so many people come to school here and want to stay for the nice weather. On average, we have a higher standard of care. The city I grew up in though, was a small mining town with awful doctors. I would have been better off with a vet than in my obgyn's hands.
After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him. The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut. ~Will Rogers |
| MagnoliaWhisper |
Posted - Apr 15 2011 : 3:35:55 PM
Not to cause a argument but actually a drs job and what they go to school for is not for medication, but to diagnose illnesses. Medication school is for Pharmacist. My own mother is a dr, and while I have no doubt her motives are pure, her schooling was not in medication. Most drs get medication education from drug reps, hired by the pharmaceutical companies pawning their drugs. So of course they will be biased. It's not a question of trusting our drs, as much as trusting the pharmaceutical companies who have been known to lie over and over. If you don't believe that turn on the TV, there's not a commercial segment on tv that doesn't have at least one commercial to call X lawyers to get in on X lawsuit for damage that X drug did that was approved and given to you. In fact, I myself have been damaged by a drug I was given 20 years ago and just now is on the commercials about the damage it does, mean while 20 years ago I didn't know why at 14 years old I had colon cancer! Now we know it was a side effect of the drug that the drs trusted to prescribe. Do I blame my dr? No way that wasn't his job to know. Do I blame the drug company YES. Do I think my dr 20 years ago had impure motives in prescribing it to me, or was inept in his education not at all......but this is just truth of how drugs and medicine work in this country.
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| Dusky Beauty |
Posted - Apr 15 2011 : 2:39:49 PM
Whooping cough is making a big comeback. I have an 8 month old at home and when I took my mother to the emergency room last month there was a baby on the other side of the curtain hacking away with that telltale cough struggling to breath. If my precious baby wasn't immunized, I could have brought that infection home on my clothes and passed it when I hugged her.
Please keep in mind, your doctors DO see children die from Whooping cough, even if you don't.
In the end, you really are accountable to your own conscience. But I dont think I could live with myself if I lost one of my children to a preventable disease because some people had a low opinion of vaccines. It's your pediatrician's job to know the risks associated with everything in your community, and if you don't believe your pediatrician, why are you paying them to treat your child??
The last shots I had done at the 6 month mark were 2 actual shots, and one solution she had to drink and honestly, she wasn't all that traumatized. The shot list may look daunting, but remember that most of them are multiple protections in one actual shot.
I will continue to vaccinate on schedule as recommended, the same way i vaccinate my dogs to protect them from rabies, and my horses to protect them from mosquitos.
My husband and I really debated over the HPV shot, on the one hand, it's designed to protect them from the consequences of stds, and you worry that if you take that step, you're inviting promiscuity (like getting a teenage girl birth control "just in case"--GAH!)
In the end though, we decided that it was our job as loving parents to take measures to soften the blows of mistakes we know they probably will make regardless, as opposed to leaving them to their own devices and saying "sucks to you." They say with the statistics now, there's a 50/50 chance a sexually active young adult will be exposed. Your reach may extend to the morals you teach YOUR child, but what about the person they marry?
After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him. The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut. ~Will Rogers |
| walkinwalkoutcattle |
Posted - Apr 08 2011 : 06:18:24 AM
Here is the schedule from Dr. Sears' book:
http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/8226/GR_PR_081203Vaccines.png
I did not give my child the Hep B vaccination at the hospital either. She will also not be getting the chicken pox vaccine. I got the chicken pox vaccine, and shortly after got shingles.
Farmgirl #2879 :)
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
www.cattleandcupcakes.blogspot.com
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| peebs |
Posted - Mar 30 2011 : 5:38:42 PM
I have to say that although my children are immunized, there are some vaccines that I chose not to give my children. At the top of that list was the H1N1. I felt that there was not enough information on it when the craze came out, and they were urging everyone to get it. The second one was the HPV vaccine that they wanted to give my then 15 year old daughter. With much hesitation, I agreed to the first shot, but quickly told the doctor no to the second and third part of the vaccine, when she started getting pounding headaches on a daily basis and still had them three weeks later. It is a sensitive subject, and one I agree should be researched by us parents before immunizing our children (and of course our pets) with certain vaccines. |
| msdoolittle |
Posted - Mar 29 2011 : 6:44:27 PM
My kids have had most of the vaccines, though not rotovirus...and possibly not varicella; I can't remember. We did not get flu shots this year. I was not comfortable with the H1N1, and also, I mean, I NEVER have had a flu shot...even as a child. I realize that the flu CAN be deadly, but it is typically worse for people with immunity issues or pre-existing conditions. Just read the information out there.
FarmGirl #1390
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| Tall Holly |
Posted - Mar 28 2011 : 5:31:27 PM
We did not get the chicken pox vaccine. If the children had not contracted them by the time they were teens then I would have had it done. I have not had my children vacinated with the cervical cancer shot either. There is not enough evidence for me toconsider that one.
Our pediatrician will listen and discuss our opinions.
Our children had all of the other shots with no adverse side effects. Actually the only nap our daughter took after she was nine months old was the day she had a set of her shots. She stopped playing snuggled up next to me and went to sleep. she woke up for supper and was fine. Naps were not for her. lol
Holly
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| CurlysQuilts |
Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 08:57:48 AM
Read The Vaccine Book. I was totally against vaccines, but he has a great dialogue about what's safe and what's not. He also offers a more spaced out reduced amount of shots that are really necessary for infants (like the diseases that are fatal when they are under two). It made me change my approach, and I have vaccinated in a limited way.
Curly's Quilts
www.curlysquilts.etsy.com
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. - Micah 6:8
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| walkinwalkoutcattle |
Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 07:32:20 AM
Here's a link to an article I've been reading over and over:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html
While this is a little over my head, I think it offers a good amount of factual back-up.
Farmgirl #2879 :)
Starbucks and sushi to green fried tomatoes and corn pudding-I wouldn't change it for the world.
www.cattleandcupcakes.blogspot.com
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| Melina |
Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 8:04:10 PM
My vet won't even over-vaccinate a puppy! He spaces them out, with the rabies separate from the last distemper/parvo. I'm all for immunization of infants and children (I remember the tail-end of the polio scare when I was a little kid), but I do think the number given at one time is a real burden on their systems.
The morning breeze has secrets to tell you. Do not go back to sleep.
Rumi |
| knittingmom |
Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 4:20:08 PM
We chose not to vaccinate our children after much research (including reading the material that comes with the vaccines). While I am not completely against vaccination per se, it is a medical treatment and we felt at this time that we didn't want our children to have this.
The bottom line is really inform yourself and trust your gut instinct.
"There is no foot so small that it cannot leave an imprint on this world" |
| MagnoliaWhisper |
Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 07:48:15 AM
I agree with a lot of the PP.
However, I forgot to mention what Dawn did. I think it's very important at each appointment to ask exactly what each vaccine is they want to give and then weigh out which ones you want and which ones you may not want and which ones you want to wait for.
For instance as Dawn said, we do not get the flu shot. I am a type 1 diabetic, I got it for years, each of those years I got the flu shot I had the worst flu in my life (lasting up to 9 months! Usually resulting in pneumonia, and hospital stays, the last time it ended in me having a lung fungus they weren't sure if they would be able to stop!). I stopped getting the flu shot and as a result stopped getting the flu! I have been so much healthier ever since.
As for the Rotovirus I did get it for one of my preemies, but none of the others.
I also chose not to have some of the other vaccines that I just don't see the point of. For instance the chicken pox vaccine. We all got it, we're all still alive and well. Yeah it was miserable for a little while but it sure didn't kill any of us. I just don't see a reason to compromise a still developing immune system with something for just in case, when if in case they did get it, it wouldn't kill them, and in case they didn't get it and didn't get the shot their developing immune system wouldn't be under so much stress. But, it's all a personal choice. Not trying to push people one way or another. As for the MMR we are waiting for that. I will get it, but at 5 instead of 1. I seen far too many of my nieces and nephews be overly effected by the MMR. At 5 their immune system is built up much better to handle it.
When we were kids the MMR wasn't all in one shot. Now they will not give it seperately. I think if they would give them individually spaced out, even at 1 maybe kids could handle it better. But, in NYC they want to give you the MMR and about 10 other shots as well all on the same day! It's insane. And just so overwhelming I think. But, again personal choice.
My point was. You personally may not want all the shots, and then there may be some you don't mind having them take. So I think the best advice is to ask about the individual shots, and think about them individually and age wise for each of your children individually instead of a overall blanket choice on all of them.
On the other hand, if you do decide not to accept some. I would be very resolved in that, and also take a supporting person. Perferably a man. I am a woman hear me roar. lol I am not a mild woman etc. At the same time, the cold hard fact is most people won't question a man's decision like they do a woman's! So I discussed every thing with my husband first, and told him he had to come with me on days I knew they would want to immunize (which in NYC is pretty much every appointment the first 2 years!) and told him if he really believed the same as me, then he needed to stand behind me on it at the office and not seem like he would waiver. He did and it helped a lot. Not only that but they made us both sign papers on law ones, like the MMR saying we were taking full responsibility etc. And that the dr fully informed us she could become deaf, or blind because we didn't accept and this and that and the other. Again though I did tell them we would get the MMR at some point, but not at 1 when at the time my DD was only 12 lbs! (I have small babies!). My dr didn't understand the spacing and kept saying well that was when her booster would be due, didn't understand I was saying I wanted to start with it then, and then we would get her "booster" in 4 years after that.
But, any way, again research and then make choices on individual vaccines, and I think that helps a bit, depending on your office. I hear some offices are better then others. I didn't have many choices for peds (with my insurance) in NYC. But...oh well. It has been working ouy so far.
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| 4forMe |
Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 06:59:32 AM
I am a registered nurse. I space my kids immunizations. I agree with PPs who say that the amount of immunizations they are giving to newborns today are a lot more than 20 years ago. My oldest child is 13 almost 14. He received a lot less vaccines as a newborn than the protocol is now for my 13 month old. When I took my baby in at 2 months old for a well baby check and he was slated to get EIGHT vaccines within 3 shots and and oral med, I said "no thanks". He has since gotten some of those vaccines, but it has been at a much slower pace.
Some of the vaccines are not NECESSARY (ie. Rotovirus) and some that are offered are not even REQUIRED, drug companies are out to make money. Do your research and decide for yourself.
I also do not get the flu vaccine for myself, my children or my husband. We are all healthy (no underlying health conditions) and I prefer that we get our immunities naturally. I do think the flu vaccine is beneficial for the elderly, chronically ill or children with underlying health issues (such as prematurity).
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| Montrose Girl |
Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 06:27:24 AM
Wow, yeah I guess I'm just shocked at all the new shots. Hep B and Hep A, things I can't even pronounce. Fortunately I still have time. Not due until Oct. Thanks for some of the suggested web sites too. I'll be doing a lot of research over the next months.
Laurie
http://www.inntheorchardbnb.com/ |
| FebruaryViolet |
Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 05:54:30 AM
Violet is 2 and while I believe in immunizations, I do believe our children are getting "too many" at one time. I trust my pediatrician VERY much and she didn't seem to think spacing them out was a bad idea. She even offered this option when I discussed my misgivings with her because, though I am pro vaccine, it seems Violet's system is more sensitive because each time she's been given a vaccine, she has the "more severe" reactions listed on the CDC paper they give you. At 18 months, Violet had a terrible reaction to the MMR vaccine that landed us at the ER at Children's hospital with a high fever and rash, and again a week later with a burst eardrum because of the viral infection she couldn't rebound from because her immune system had been so compounded.
As much as it pained me to be so helpless during these times, I had to think: how I would feel if I could have prevented something far more serious with a simple vaccination?
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