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| harmonyfarm |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 07:32:20 AM
Well, we thought we could hide, but the Dept. Of Ag has sent us the forms to register our farm for the National Animal Identification System....we always said that we would eat our critters before we registered them with the government. We are totally against this plan of action. We think it goes against our fundamental right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....
What are the rest of you doing about this?
Debbie
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| Mother Hen |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 10:11:39 PM
Debbie, we have cattle and goats (and chickens, horses, a mule) and we were watching this very closely last year as it was going to be a big expense and we, also, don't like the whole Big Brother thing. But it was defeated and is not mandatory on a National level. I am also so sick of the Feds trying to get money for nothing.
Off subject for a second: did you know that Pres Bush put into affect that after the 1st $500 each fiscal year of child support that changes hands the GOVERNMENT takes out $25 to go to aleviate the national debt??? Yup, it's true. It started on October '07. And that money is already taxed (net pay) before it is sent to the custodial parent.
Anyway, I like Diana's idea, it was funny! And I hope Santa isn't falling for this either!!(also very funny)
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 6:13:32 PM
That's just it, Debbie. They have not thought this thing through. What if that happened? There is no way any organization can handle that many calls at one time. The NAIS issue has been out there for years now and no one really knows how it will work. I do hope Obama gets his hands in the dirt with the "real" farmers in this country. The family farmers who are all about saving a piece of history with the heritage breeds and the heirloom seeds their forefathers used.
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| harmonyfarm |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 3:49:11 PM
I was driving down the road today at it occured to me...if NAIS actually went into being, what kinda messed-up situation would you have around August when thousands of 4-H kids are leaving their farms with their show animals and they all call the feds at once to report that their animals are on the move....that would make the lights go out at the Ag dept. for sure....lol
I really hope Obama let's us all homestead/live in peace!
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| Jami |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 11:28:46 AM
Didn't mean to confuse you...I just got the press release from Dr. Eldridge, state vet for WA. I get one every day and it has worldwide ag and vet news. R-CALF is the one that met with Pres. elect Obama, not WA state.
But, it's good that ag producer groups are getting their foot in the door with Obama.
What I read was that R-CALF feels that the disease control tracking programs in place already (like the scrapie program for sheep and brucellosis program for cattle) can be tracing tools for any sort of big outbreak as they are already programs in place that use a tagging system and have a traceback system and they are working well as they are. No need to remake the wheel. Commercial producers already are participating in these programs.
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| kpaints |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 11:19:25 AM
This is just staggering!! Next we will have to register our pets (dogs and cats I mean) I was just thinking about having chickens. All of this is so Monsanto can control our world! This is so outrageous! Good for WA state, hope more will follow. I don't have a problem seeing Farmgirls on the White House stairs!
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| shepherdgirl |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 11:00:32 AM
WOOOOO--HOOOOOO!!!!!!!! No NAIS!!! -- it's nothing but a MONEY SUCKER anyway to benefit a small handful of people-- and ONE HUGE MONSTER!!! --and the good Lord knows we taxpayers are already VERY anemic in the "finances" department! Any more cash sucking and we will all expire! (Even midievil Doctors knew when to pull the leaches before they KILLED the patient!!! D.C. needs to get a clue) Thanks for the update Jami!!! YEAH!!~~~Hugs~~~ Tracy
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| Jami |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 08:39:32 AM
I just got a press release from WA State dept of Ag and apparently 6 large producer groups met this week with Pres elect Obama and his crew regarding ag issues. R-CALF was one of them. They strongly encouraged a total ban of mandatory NAIS among other things. We'll see what the new administration does and how they respond.
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| shepherdgirl |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 07:53:33 AM
It's about "Big" business ladies. It's about a monster on a mission to force us to rely on THEM for our food (and of course, the main motivation is MONEY). Someone mentioned them already--- MONSANTO --- I read a book about them written in the 70's. They started out as a Fertilzer company, moved to pestisides, and now seem to have their fingers in LOTS of pies-- even FOOD we find in our Grocery stores! (All GM, of course!). They are the makers of the "FAMOUS" Round Up that I bet most of you use in your gardens and around your yards. Well, I was a "user" too until I found out what that company has been up to!
They are the ones who produce the largest amount of "Genetically Modified" corn (and other seed crops) in the world! The farmers who grow their crops (which I think are either given a DEEP price cut in seed-- or some kind of monetary incintive) are forced to sign a contract stating that the farmer WILL NOT hold back seed from ANY crop and re-plant it the following year. (Now WHY would they insist on that?) Believe me, those farmers ARE monitored by the company and if they ARE found to be re-using seed they are fined HUGE amounts of money!!!
That seed is SUPPOSED to be sterile-- and 100% safe, but it's NOT. How can you "re-use" STERILE seed anyway? It's not supposed to be viable. Unfortunately, it's been found to be VERY viable and it is crossing with "Traditionally" bred plants in nearby fields. The way GM crops work is a living organisim (in this case corn, wheat and soy-- so far!) is "Genetically Altered" the genes from other plants-- and even other SPECIES (think tomatoes with FISH genes!)-- have been spliced into the genetic material of the parent plants. The GM seed is harvested from them. Those seeds become unaturally altered. On the outside they appear to be just fine, but on the inside.... SCARY!!! So Start stocking up on those heirloom seeds ladies! Monsanto is behind the campaign to close the world seed banks to the public! Read the articles about on JL Hudson Seedsman's website-- Pretty scary stuff!
Doctors are also begining to see the affects of GM foods on the human body-- some VERY strange cases and weird disorders have begun cropping up in people-- Symptoms Doctors CANNOT explain (though SCINECE has!) such as Blue threads appearing under the skin of some people (VERY painful they say)-- there is even a name for the conditon that has been documented in over 300,000 cases in the US (and possibly the world) so far. There are also other things that will also come to light very soon. I fear it's only going to get worse....... in the meantime, my husband and I raise a variety of livestock-- Cattle, sheep, Goats, chickens. I have been saving Heirloom and OP seeds for YEARS (now I know WHY!) and we are going to be putting in fruit and nut trees on the property as well. We also grow our own hay. Our goal (and MY dream for many years now) is to make this farm as independently productive as possible! 'Cause you just never know what's going to happen and I REFUSE to lie awake at night worrying about it!
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 05:59:39 AM
I think the farmgirls on the mall in Wash. is a great idea! I have thought of that, too. It may end up that we have to do that to get them to actually LISTEN to us and see how absolutely stupid this is. I think it should just be a voluntary thing and it is a good way to track disease and all that. But if we maintain closed herds and the animals stay on our own farms, and are healthy and we can prove they are, how is that going to affect everyone? It is about keeping our own animals healthy and disease free and being responsible animal keepers.
Kris
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| Farmtopia |
Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 01:21:23 AM
Haha Beverly, that's funny.
Well, the crazy thing is that BigBrother is already telling us that we need to bail out the banks and automakers..soo...(grumblegrumblesoapboxgrumble)...
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| Beverley |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 9:19:19 PM
Hi Lorraine,
I certainly do not want "big Brother" telling me anything!!! I have read this stuff over and it just seems like they found an avenue they didn't feel like they were getting any money from so they decided to do something that would cost all of us and make them some. Pisses me off big time!!! I think I need to move further back in the woods and make them trudge through all kinds of stuff to find me!!!! hehehehehe
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| harmonyfarm |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 7:29:22 PM
How many farmgirls do you think could fit on the steps of the capitol in DC?
I'm just kidding, but let's pray it never comes to that....I will eat my livestock and turn my Angora Goats into coats before I put a tag in any of their ears, or chips in their bodies....as she lowers her head and murmurs...amen......
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| Farmtopia |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 7:00:22 PM
Debbie, I agree, it's great that you brought this here because it may soon affect everyone. I think you need to double check if this is voluntary and, obviously if it is, you can put the application back in the tinder box :D
BUT, I also think we need to be more proactive about this because I don't think this is going to go away quietly.
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| kmbrown |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 6:27:19 PM
This is CREEPY. Tracy, I agree with you totally....I just can hardly figure out HOW to take back our rights...because we don't even have the right to protest our rights!!!! The fact is, we've already lost our freedoms. Sound like communism to anybody? |
| Marybeth |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 5:38:23 PM
My Daughter and SIL are against this also. they live on a very, very large ranch and have been too many meetings with government people about this. I don't know their outcome. Maybe I will call her tonight. MB
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 4:28:00 PM
Lorraine, thanks for bringing this up. More people need to be aware of this. Even those of you who don't have your own animals but buy meat from a small farmer trying to support their family, ya'll need to see what is happening.
I have been hearing about this for several years now. The last thing I did hear is that by the end of 2009 they will be making this mandatory for everyone who has animals on their property. Unless that's changed.
We had an incident last year here. It was in Jan. About 7:00 am the phone rang. It was the Dept. of Ag. in Atlanta. They wanted to know how many chickens, ducks, turkey, and guineas we had on our place. I said why? He said there was a concern that the chicken house across the road from us might have contracted the avian bird flu and they wanted to come test all my birds. They came the next day. They were mainly interested in the 4 white ducks I had in the other garden apart from all the other birds. They kept asking if they flew or got out or were there wild ducks around us. They tested all 4 of the ducks and 1 turkey, 4 hens and we couldn't catch the guineas so they didn't do them. They were really after the ducks b/c that's where the avian flu comes from is wild birds and ducks.
Anyway, my birds were all healthy, no problems there. But come to find out, the guy with all the chicken houses across the street called a few days later to apoligize and said the inspectors wanted all the names of anyone within 5 miles of them who had birds. They had done their random chicken testing and drew blood from several of his chickens and had made a mistake in the lab. It was their mistake. And when they test those chickens, they pull blood from the heart. So those birds are killed. when they tested mine, they drew blood from under their wings.
I made them send me a written form stating that my birds were healthy and did not pose a threat to anyone or anything. I have not had any more calls or letters from anyone since.
I keep waiting for something like this to happen to us, though. I've been told you can refuse for religious purposes.
Sorry this is so long, but this is another subject that makes my blood boil, too. All because Monsanto doesn't have control of everyone yet. They're trying their darndest, though. |
| happydaze |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 3:49:06 PM
Interesting Topic!! I havent even made up my mind about tagging my pet goats with the USDA tag yet, so they can show at 4-H. And now I have to decide about NAIS? I think I'll hide in the woods until the Feds find me too. |
| shepherdgirl |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 3:34:39 PM
The USDA is behind the "Voluntary" NAIS program. It's all about MONEY and it's all about power and intimidation. Europe has had a system such as the NIAS program for years which has proven to be a total DISASTER and has put MANY small family farms out of business. THOUSANDS of animals were slaughtered BEFORE the testing came back from the labs during the "hoof and mouth" scare a few years ago (no diseases were detected-- except for the isolated incident on one farm which started the whole fiasco-- but by then it was too late.) Those people lost their livelihoods and all that those responsible for their loss had to say was "Oops, guess we made a mistake!"
The program is currently considered "VOLUNTARY" in most US states. Though some states DID decide to make it a MANDATORY law-- with the promise of some big $$$ from the feds--- but when the public got wind of the TRUTH behind the whole NIAS "scam" there were a lot of questions being asked that the USDA and NIAS backers refused to answer. Aslo, small livestock producers who did not even volunteer for the program were finding THEIR farms registered in the system and when they asked to be removed from that list, they were told they could NOT be. Some of those names listed were even 4-H children who (in most states-- if not all) cannot even LEGALLY be bound to any contract if they are under the age of 18!!! This drew a lot of attention to the TRUE motive behind the program and opened up some SERIOUS lawsuits by those who were denied removal of their farms from the program.
For now the USDA HAS agreed to keep the program "VOLUNTARY" (in most, if not ALL states) but there is one thing you ladies should know-- whenever you sign ANYTHING sent to you by a Government agency that is "Voluntary" (or even MANDATORY) -- you AUTOMATICALLY give up your Constitutional rights (I will have to look up the EXACT ones to be certain-- I think the 14th ammendment is one of them) I found out somehow that if you sign your name to a VOLUNTARY Gov't document that, in order to NOT give up those rights, you MUST also write "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" as closely to your signature as possible (so the document can't be so easily altered-- and KEEP A COPY before you return it!!!). That way you are agreeing to the terms of the "Voluntary"-- whatever-it-is -- but you are REFUSING to give up your constitutional rights as an American Citizen. Ah... one of the sneaky ways the people are so easily duped.....
One thing I found interesting was the fact that it took the federal Government nearly a WEEK to track down the Canadian herd that the cow who tested POSITIVE for "Mad Cow" disease a couple of years ago came from -- but it took the breed REGISTRY less than 72hrs to find out the same information. Isn't that what the Livestock REGISTRIES are for? To keep track of breeders and animal health and quality? Hmmm....
Also, for you ladies who LOVE to go riding-- well, if the horse is YOURS, that horse will ALSO have to be chipped and registered with the program should it become a mandatory thing -- (which I DOUBT due to the Economy-- there will be NO funding for it, unless Monsanto wants to open up it's coffers and fund the program on it's OWN!)-- You will have to contact the Federal Government within 24hrs EACH AND EVERY time you want to take a liesurely ride and your horse comes into contact with ANY OTHER farm animals along the way-- which is EVERYWHERE in the Country!!! Don't be fooled ladies-- it's time to stand up and take back our rights as American Citizens! ~~Hugs~~ Tracy
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| ruralfarmgirl |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 2:22:35 PM
Debbie,
We have been watching this in our state too. But it sounds like Ohio is ahead of the curve a little. I would check to see if you actually have to hand that in or if they are just trying to make you think you do.
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| rabbithorns |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 1:58:34 PM
Debbie, I can't stop laughing. First of all, it's already in the tinder pile...then - fish? And chicken ears are hard to find...But poor Santa...that's when I lost it. I guess I'm easily amused.
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| Alee |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 1:02:35 PM
I don't think it is mandatory yet. I think they are trying to get people to do it voluntarily right now so they can say that it has a lot of popular support.
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| harmonyfarm |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 12:25:04 PM
Ok...here's the scoop. I dug out the information I got from the US Dept.of Agriculture. Glad I didn't use it to light the woodstove last week....
Anyway,the application says,
Premises Registration Form...blah, blah, blah...Name, Address, Description of the premises,Species on Premises? Circle all that apply.
Aquaculture,(I'm not tagging the fish in the pond) beef, dairy, bison, llamas, alpacas, horses, donkeys, mules, rheas, ostriches, emu, cassowary,(WHAT?) kiwi, chickens, turkeys, geese, ducks, guinea fowl, deer,(we have hundreds of deer roaming our land. we can't even find them during hunting season),elk, moose, caribou, reindeer (how the heck is Santa gonna comply with this?)and don't forget the subfamily musk deer....blah, blah blah...then your signature is required on the form. Nowhere does it say that returning the form is mandatory. If we have any questions, we contact the Ohio Department of Agriculture at pathohio@mail.agri.state.gov or for general info. website at www.ohioanimalid.com.
AND THEN...the envelope included a glossy ad from which you can order your "840 eartags" as your "passport to compliance".....that sends shivers down my spine.....
anyone interested in this topic yet?
What makes this even more ironic is that when I turned over the envelope to stuff all this "stuff" back in I noticed that I had unknowingly written my Thanksgiving grocery shopping list on the back of it.....that's eerie too.....
Debbie
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| Farmtopia |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 11:39:44 AM
I think you can google "NO NAIS" but I think they are trying to track EACH animal. It's kind of creepy, like a sort of terrorist check. I can't imagine what else they'd keep tabs of....big brother definitely would be watching
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| rabbithorns |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 11:01:11 AM
Does this only apply to farm animals used for commerce? Or does it also apply to domesticated animals used only for supplying your own family? Or strictly as pets - like pet goats? Is there a difference in that law?
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| katmom |
Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 10:25:22 AM
yep, I think gramadinha hit it on the head....rotfl....
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