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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Aug 07 2008 : 12:51:08 PM
Does anyone else find this really creepy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkuwjTZRYKo
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 10 2008 : 09:34:06 AM
amie .. we also used to use 'pony express' to deliver mail .. and the telegraph instead of the telephone .. and 'computers' were not TOYS as they are today .. 'death masks' have been made for eons .. statues of people .. living and dead .. as a child, i always saw my dollies as my 'children' .. photographs, locks of hair, stuffed animals (including the 'real' ones .. taped videos .. etc. etc. have been a way to memoralize 'loved ones lost' ..
i think as 'time marches on' .. our culture obviously changes and with it ... ideas, inventions, new thoughts on olde subjects, ideals, beliefs, traditions, etc. etc. changes too. i also believe for each individual person, 'our up-bringing and beliefs, fears, taboos, and cultures are very strongly embedded in us' .. and we often see 'new' ideas as strange .. ohhhh ... that would be a fun topic for us all to discuss .. what 'cultural changes' that have occurred in our lifetimes that are very 'foreign' to our childhood cultural beliefs/traditions, etc. have happened as we got older .. which ones do we embrace .. which ones can we 'just not handle' yet in life?
i sincerely doubt that there are many people who truly see 'dolls' of any kind as 'real' or 'substitute' .. and if they do .. well, perhaps they are 'working through' their loss. gosh .. schools are now using animated dolls as children to teach teens the responsibility of parent-hood.
sounds like your dollies were 'real' to you too as a child. i LOVE the story of the VELVETEEN RABBIT!!! i think that story teaches us the value of loving what is 'real' (and to the little boy .. his stuffed bunny was indeed 'real'.
i agree .. i didn't get the slightest impression on the re-born doll site that it was the intention of the dollmaker to make 'real children' to substitute for anyone. just wonderful VERY life-like dolls to collect, appreciate and perhaps 'play' with too.
R-Born .. Just Born .. Born Again .. all jus' semantics to me .. we each hear words so differently sometimes it seems.
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| FarmGirl~K |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 11:39:41 PM
To me it is amazing how life-like these dolls look. I can see why they wouldn't be for everyone though. With the Youtube video, it did appear that they were replicating an actual child, deceased or not which would make it seem strange. But I don't think that is the purpose of these dolls. Though you can get custom made & there may be some out there that would do just that. I went to some of the websites & found that the doll makers are very talented. The work that must go into each one.
Marcelina, have you seen this website? http://www.camilleallen.com/camille_allen3.htm
This artist makes miniature dolls as you are wanting to make. These actually went around as being made of marzipan, but they actually aren't. She does great work as well & to have such detail in such a small doll is amazing!
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| Amie C. |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 6:58:55 PM
Frannie, I find the idea of taking a photo of a dead child much less disturbing than making a replica doll. I wonder why? Maybe just because, as a culture, taking pictures is how we memorialize our friends and family members. Whereas, a doll is a toy to be played with. I know there are collectors, but I mean the basic concept of a doll. It's not part of our cultural tradition to use dolls as a totemic representation of a baby who might have lived in the household if things had gone a different way.
Stories like Raggedy Ann made me feel soooo guilty as a child. I would wake up at night and wonder where my dolls were: under the bed, out in the yard? Were they uncomfortable? Were they scared? I was such a bad person to not take better care of them! I can't imagine making a doll to represent an actual child that I had lost. I think it would literally drive me mad. That's just me, but it does kind of make me shiver to think there might be other people out there who do that.
I didn't get the impression that this was the purpose of the "Re-born" dolls in the youtube link. I thought they were just extremely realistic collector dolls.
BTW, the brand name "Just Born" makes me feel horrible about eating marshmallow peeps at Easter too. What's in a name? A lot of connotations!
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 1:37:07 PM
marcelina . i would LOVE to see your 'tiny babies'.
when i had our wonderful crooked tree hollow doll club .. we did a fun 'visiting dolly' thingie .. and i know it's been done by doll clubs all over the country too.
we each made a doll body .. then put them all in a big pile and closed our eyes and drew a 'different' doll .. took her home and gave her underoos .. did the switcheroo thingie again .. this time the new 'momma' gave the doll clothing
.. switch again .. then face .. switch again .. then hair .. THEN .. we each took a dolly home for a month and took her with us wherever we went .. giving the dolly a 'life' .. with a journal and each momma collected treasures for the dolly .. the next month .. each doll went to another home for a month and the same thing .. we did this for six months .. and when our travelling doll got back home .. she had stories and a 'life'.
(i do believe we did that very thing right here on maryjane's forum). FARMGIRL travelling dolls (wonder where they are now??) i know that we all KNOW it is not a 'human being' .. but it was such fun including a 'doll' in our real lives .. it really did give them more of a personality and memories for each of us.
and we are all 'big' girls still playing with dollies.
i, too, think the re-born dolls are exquisite!!
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| dutchy |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 1:34:02 PM
Frannie, I understand what you're saying!
In a way I see Elvis the kitten as an extended family member, not my child but a member of my little family of one (now 2)!
I talk to and with him, make funny sounds etc, hehe And I think he likes me doing that too, he seems to "listen" to my voice and recognizes it, I think. He is only 3 months old, almost, and I can see he likes and trusts me. He lies on my lap all eve and just relaxes completely!
So I can see where you come from if you say some people see their pets as "children" in a way.
And the dolls ARE works of art, indeed, but just not MY cuppa tea :)
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| Marcy |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 1:29:47 PM
I bought a doll kit to make one myself. I love any and all kinds of dolls. And although I am not looking for any breathing or heartbeat dolls, I would like to make it look as real as possible. And yes, I have two children of my own so I am not looking for a 'baby' The work that these people put into the dolls is amazing, I know that they are not for everyone, but I think they are beautiful. I am also 'trying' to learn how to sculpt realistic baby's that fit into the palm of your hand. I do a lot of different cloth and clay dolls and this was just one more thing that I wanted to try. I look at it as art. To me they are not subsitutes for say, something real. I do collect dolls, but that is it, they are a collection, nothing more.
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 1:28:32 PM
dutchy .. i USED to feel sorry for people who saw their pets as child-substitute .. but i've had too many dear friends who don't have children .. can't .. or don't want to .. but ADORE their pets .. and some are the first to admit that perhaps this is a 'substitute' .. and well ... i figger .. if it makes them happy or fills a hole in their soul .. well .. HURRAH for them! i sincerely doubt that too many people think the re-born dolls are children 'substitutes .. i believe that those who collect them love them for their sweetness, cuteness, beauty, incredible work of ART, conversation piece, decor, or it just makes them SMILE to see them.
i prefer homely little pitiful nostalgic primitive dolls. and oh my yes, the dolls of our childhood .. no matter how silly looking or tattered and torn .. seem to grab our heartstrings the most. AND .. i do remember in my childhood, that i saw these 'dollies' as my very own 'chillun' .. GOODNESS .. even today .. my trademark with my ORPHANS are that they are 'chilluns' looking for a loving momma!
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| dutchy |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 11:37:55 AM
I don't have children, but would never have a doll like this! Too real looking and think it is sad if someone sees this as a substitute for a baby/child.
They ARE made good though, real artistic, but not my cuppa tea, and I LOVE dolls. Still have mine from when I was an iddy biddy girl of 6 months (LOOOONG ago :D)
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 11:20:22 AM
ha! linda .. i LOVE your anonymous quote!!! has me giggling! xo
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| yarnmamma |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 10:44:49 AM
Thank you so much Frannie! I needed the positve and respectful reminder of what our Farmgirl Forum is for.
I went back to change my first response to be positive.
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 12:15:29 AM
CHILE!!! it's 3:15 a.m. here in Kentucky .. WHAT am i doing still awake!!!!
i guess it's only about midnight in Washington state?
anyhoo .. to bed with me now! sweet dreams sweet friend.
p.s. i ADORE your children's clothing!!!!!!!!!! xoxo
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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 12:10:30 AM
Good point Frannie - I guess I never thought of the dolls as being made by someone, but rather manufactured, so it didn't occur to me. But you're right. I would definately be hurt if someone criticized my products on a public forum. Thanks for the reminder.
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Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 12:04:23 AM
ohhhhhhhh .. i thought of another story!!! i have a good friend who has Amish friends here in Kentucky. Sadly, one of their infants died. The baby was to be buried on a certain day and many Amish families came to their home. My friend went there to extend her condolences too. Something she was totally unprepared for happened. She saw the deceaded little baby being passed from person to person to hold in their arms. The mother picked the baby up and brought her to my friend to hold. She simply could not. She just stood there and cried and cried.
This was so foreign to her .. she hugged the mother and left. She searched her mind for her 'feelings' about this.
Strange? Weird? Creepy? ... NO! simply their custom .. important to them. A few weeks later, she returned to sit and talk with the young Amish mother. They held each other and no words were needed. They both understood.
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 11:53:47 PM
hey sweetie .. that comment sure was on her site! re-born might sound too much like 'born-again' for some people perhaps? i'm not sure how she came up with her dolly name .. it would be interesting to hear her tell us the story of it. it doesn't really bother me.
OH .. and i have a story to tell you! when i lived in Denver, and had two YOUNG daughters, i went to an antiques shoppe .. and there was a whole box full of photos of 'deceased babies, children and young teenagers'. (most were in coffins .. a couple laid out on a table .. SITTING in chairs .. and some were just surrounded with black cloth so you couldn't really tell where they were. YES .. some had their eyes open too!) It only cost $20 for about 30 of these olde photos .. lordy! you can't touch one of those for less than $20 to $50 if you can even find the olde ones anymore. (i used to collect victorian 'funeralia' .. lordy! i don't know why! no macabre reason .. i just realized it was part of 'history' .. i had seen 'hair jewelry' and 'hair flower pictures' (YEP .. hair from deceased loved ones!) in musueums .. and i found it fascinating and actually quite wonderful that people chose to keep a little part of their loved one. years later, i finally did find ONE photo of a precious baby who had died and was actually dressed in a beautiful white christening dress .. 'propped up' in a chair .. and it's photo was taken. i was showing my 'funeralia' collection to some women who came to my house one day .. and a nurse from Johns-Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore told me that this tradition was still more 'alive' than many people realize. She said that some families did indeed ask for a photo to be taken of their baby (just as they are for surviving babies) .. this nurse told me that some families just find comfort in being able to have a physical reminder that their child did exist .. if only for a few moments or hours. She said it was very healing for some people. Now .. many of us would find that strange, weird, awful (fill in the blank adjective). But if it gives any comfort to someone else .. then that is truly all that is important.
ohhhh .. and back to the box of photos .. i just COULD NOT bring myself to purchase them and bring them home .. because it was too sad .. perhaps being a young mother at the time was the reason. (TODAY ..i would absolutely buy them if i could find them). (Same as i collect antique 'instant ancestor' photos). from the 1800's to early 1900's .. and all of these people are now deceased).
Something kinda' similar to me as far as perhaps being 'creepy' to someone and not to another .. was how i used to feel about seeing 'crosses' on the sides of roads where people had car accidents and died. I was riding with my friend, Cyndi one day .. and we passed one ... and she started crying. She told me her brother had been killed in a car accident when he was 17 years old. Most of her family wanted to erect a cross at the spot. She went CRAZY with grief .. and said she could not BEAR to be reminded of the very spot where he had died. They honored her wishes and did not put the cross there. Years later, a friend pointed out a cross on the side of the road where her child had died in a car accident. She told me it gave her comfort to know where she believed her son's soul left its body and ascended into heaven.
I look at GRAVES in much the same way ... it is just a box of bones and rotting flesh to me .. what is important about my loved one is NOT in that BOX! YET .. it gives my sister peace and comfort to be able to go sit beside her young teenage son's grave and talk to him.
Gurlfrenz, think my biggest concern about saying negative things on a public forum is the fact that THE VERY PERSON we are speaking of .. or one of their friends or loved ones .. may very well be on this very forum .. and read those words .. and i do believe that would hurt. I know my homely little primitive dollies probably creep some people out (ha! they creep my beloved sister out!!!) She does not like ANYTHING 'primitive' ... we love each other and we tease each other about "my primitives and her prissies" .. but we truly do it in love. (she even has a few of my dolls sitting amongst her prissy little lacy-layered china dolls!) But .. it would be unkind to read words from friends or strangers about how stupid or ugly or bizarre or creepy (fill in the adjetive) my dollies are.
Yep! that would hurt my heart. xo
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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 11:10:19 PM
Man, I didn't see that Frannie - was it on the site where the dolls were pictured? That was uncalled for. I think what gave me the willies was the name "re-born" and a couple of the dolls truly did look like babies that had passed on. You are right about the dollmaker's abilities - they are incredible - completely life-like. And absolutely - everyone has their own opinion and preference but no need to be mean.
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:44:16 PM
o.k. .. me and my two cents worth .. i appreciate immensely this dollmaker's ability to make such realistic dolls .. when i used to attend dollmaking seminars and workshops .. there were quite a few dollmakers who made extremely realistic (and yes, sometimes, lifesize) dolls. their 'workwomanship' is phenomenal .. and i think they are WONDERFUL! they don't creep me out at all .. gosh .. my kids had dolls that ate and pooped .. and i loved my 'tiny tears' doll that seemed to cry real tears. my sister collects child-sized china and bisque dolls that look much like these and she adores them. if you look at some grungy primitive dolls .. some people might they they are bizarr-o .. and they tug at the heartstrings of others. and oh my .. some of the victorian era dolls with such stern faces scare some people and others love collecting them and living with them.
(my sister shakes her head and just does not get .. and thinks they are indeed UGLY .. primitive dolls .. whereas, they sure make me smile).
i don't think either of us is 'right or wrong' .. we just have different tastes. and i am sure there is a loving audience for these re-born dolls too .. and i think that is great .. that someone can use their doll-making talents to create a living for themselves and to bring happiness to those that do love them.
i've seen anatomically correct dolls .. life-like dolls .. walking/talking dolls. there simply isn't anything in me that sees these dolls as anything but beautiful. it truly is 'different strokes for different folks' when it comes to taste in just about anything.
i appreciate the ability of someone to create such life-like looking dolls .. i think there are probably children that would adore owning one (a little sisiter or brother mayhaps).
some people love their own pets like (or more than) people .. is that strange?
i surely do not think it was a kind post that someone left about 'pedophiles' on this woman's site .. how mean-spirited. stuff like THAT should be kept to oneself .. because it is simply their opinion .. it does not make it a universal truth. i think it says more about the poster than it does about the dolls.
yeppers .. it is o.k. for them to creep some of us out too .. and we surely can express our opinions to each other .. but to be so unkind on the woman's web-site is simply mean (and ignornant in my opinion).
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| mikesgirl |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 9:21:54 PM
LOL you may have something there Trish!!!
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| one_dog_per_acre |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 7:58:54 PM
I wonder how many are sold to commuters, so they can use the carpool lane :0
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| yarnmamma |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 5:32:05 PM
 I always thought the computerized babies for school was a great idea. I would have so enjoyed that and I wouldn't want to take it back!
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Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 4:25:33 PM
Do any of you remember Baby Tenderloves? Those are the "squishy" ones I remember as a kid. They were supposed to be "lifelike" but couldn't hold a candle to these new kinds of reborn dolls. I know we use baby dolls at school for one of the "real life" classes. They have computers in them that can register if the "baby" has been ignored or "abused". Each baby has a sensor and then the student wears a bracelet corresponding to his/her baby. When the baby cries, the student must hold it in a certain way so that the bracelet matches up with the baby. If not, the baby can register that it was ignored. It will also show if if has been shaken or abused in any way. Kids have them for a weekend. |
| lacisne88 |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 2:03:38 PM
These are definitely too much for me! I love some types of dolls, but these just aren't them. I collect Peggy Nisbet dolls depicting English Historical figures from the Tudor/Elizabethan and Medieval eras. They are 8 inch beuatifully dressed dolls. They are vintage and well on their way to becoming antiques. I have about 70 so far! You can take a look at my collection at http://www.mythings.com/portfolio.aspx
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| Amie C. |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:46:01 AM
We had a baby doll from the 1950s that was realistic enough to fool the neighbors a couple of times. One lady just about threw a fit when she saw my mom trudging through the snow to the car with what looked like a naked infant stuck under her arm like a football. Up close, though, you could easily tell that she was a toy. |
| yarnmamma |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:22:49 AM
I have some real detailed porcelin dollies that are young girl "age" but small and you can tell they are dolls!
I also have a "life-size" Barbie doll that I love, BUT she is 36 inches tall to be the size of a 6 year old girl to play with if ya know what I mean.
:-)
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| yarnmamma |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:18:01 AM
I would suggest reading Frannie's posts about appreciating the artistic creations of others.
When I read Frannie's reminder of respecting others I went back to take the negativity out of my posts.
Thanks Frannie for the reminder of what Farmgirl Forums are for.
Who else enjoys dolls? Making or collecting young girl or women's are what I prefer.
I have made a woman boudoir doll for a friend. The doll was almost life size and she wore ladies clothes. She was crochet but we enjoyed her.
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Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:15:40 AM
Hmmmmmm. This is what is described as the "reborning" process. I would gather that's where the name came from.
http://www.babylovereborns.com/thereborningprocess.htm
I think someone has waaaay too much time on their hands.
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