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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 7:14:35 PM
it was rainy today .. but i travelled up to HODGENVILLE .. the nearest town to where President Lincoln was BORN. Laura Bush was supposed to make a guest appearance at the 'national park' .. where the farm is located where he was born. (there is a wonderful log cabin in a shrine much like the one in D.C.) .. it is not the ORIGINAL cabin he was born in .. NO ONE knew he would someday become such a famous person .. but the logs were found on the property and used to build this 'repro' cabin.
Well .. Hodgenville had SNOW and ICE last night .. and it was still VERY icy early this morning .. sooooo .. the park service cancelled the event! I went there to get some Lincoln memorabilia for our town's Lincoln Festivities this weekend! The town of Hodgenville still had their celebrations .. crowds were waaaaaaaay down because the Lincoln Birthplace events were cancelled. Yet, it was festive!
HA! at the Lincoln Museum .. there were two Abraham Lincoln's! one had to have been 6 feet 6 inches .. the other one TOWERED over him! it was fun just eavesdropping on their conversation about their impersonations of Lincoln! I got a MAGNIFICENT poster of Lincoln .. made up of hundreds of Civil War photos .. when you stand back .. it becomes Lincoln's FACE!! took it and got it framed so we can put it in our olde courthouse. (will gift it to honey hunk afterwards .. for our cabins!)
Of all the people in American History .. i think Lincoln is my FAV!!
I also got a great book on the Women in Lincoln's Life and how they molded his life. (did ya'll know that Lincoln's grammie was a 'ho'?)
o.k.!!! maybe that is a tad toooo strong .. but it is 'rumored' .. and perhaps this book will shed some light on it. Lincoln himself stated publically this his mother was 'illigitmate-born'.
This is the 200th anniversary of Lincoln's birth .. and celebrations are being held everywhere he lived.
Any of your girls live in Indiana or Illinois and know of any other events?
I had SUCH a FUN day!! xo
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 6:05:57 PM
Billy Herndon was a friend of Lincoln's .. but i was told at the 'museum' AND HERE IN TOWN where Herndon was born .. that they had a 'falling out' .. and that Herndon started selling Lincoln's "stories" after his death. GOSH .. wouldn't it be fun to 'time-travel' and watch it all play out as it really all happened!
doooo keep telling me what you read! xoxo
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| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 5:45:47 PM
Jackpot... local libraries have several- all available. I'm going to go get them tomorrow. I found The Tarheel Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln: A North Carolinian With PRoof, Genesis of Lincoln, Paternity of Abraham Lincoln:Was Thomas Lincoln his father? (William Baron), The Sorrows of Nancy (Lucinda Boyd), something called Lincoln's Herndon.
Have fun reading!
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Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 5:42:14 PM
hey kim .. i googled Abraham Enlow and came up with several sites .. the first one i read gives a pretty good dispute against the north carolina enlow info. i'm gonna' keep reading and see everything i can find. very fascinating.
"Results 1 - 10 of about 43,800 for Abraham Enlow.
Comments on Abraham Lincoln's Paternity More directly to the question of Abraham Enlow, there are actually four men with the name of Enlow, or a variation thereof, who are alleged to have fathered ... "
when i googled Abraham Enlow .. i clicked on the first listed item .. and it's the one above that i just read. he says that there are substantial court records to show that there were several nancy hanks' and abraham enlows .. repetition of names was quite common ... interesting read anyhoo. and that records in kentucky existed to prove .. ya-da-ya-da. i'm still readin'. xo
wow! almost 44,000 sites to visit on this subject! i'll be busy awhile! xo
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 5:27:11 PM
i 'think' that 'genesis of lincoln' one is the one that claims he was homosexual.
it's interesting how our history is written long after we are gone. and no one today really knows .. there simply were not really good records kept and stories got told (as they do today) with our own ideas and prejudices and beliefs. i've been told that billy herndon was one of lincoln's best friends and much history comes from him. i hope there is time to ask our actor who will be playing billy herndon this weekend for his personal opinions of herndon .. and the stories he told. i'm sure he has done much research to play this part.
he's making some good 'pennies' for this performance too. he gets $2,000 each night! WOW! that's a lot for a tiny town to pay!
oh gosh .. now i want to go finish reading my dolly book i got from nancy .. and my lincoln book i got from the museum.
i'll see if i can't find the books you suggested and will check out the sites too. thanks for the info! xo
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| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 5:19:08 PM
I haven't read any books; I only can provide the information aand back up sources given by the Bostic Lincoln Center here in Rutherford County. I can give you reserouces that speak specifically about Lincoln and western North Carolina (though I haven't read the books- hard to get hands on around here)...
- The Tarheel Lincoln by Jerry Goodnight recent, 2005 publication date I think)
-http://www.carolinacountry.com/storypages/ourstories/abe/Abraham2.03.pdf (article printed in Carolina Country magazine)
- The Genesis of Lincoln by James Cathey (1939), reprinted with an author listing of BH Cathey
- http://www.genealogytoday.com/us/lincoln/genesis.pdf (fairly in depth article covering all of the information from both sides)
I'll see if I can get my hands on book copies here at our library. If so, I'll let you know what I find out.
I don't disagree though, that most of the books you have will have the same information about Lincoln's birth (etc). That's why this information is so interesting- fairly common knowledge here and not disputed
Kim
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| CabinCreek-Kentucky |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 3:30:23 PM
kim .. i've got probably 50 or so lincoln books .. i especially like the ones about his life .. and they all pretty much follow the info set up above about his birth .. tell me the names of some of the books you have read about the Enlow's. it will be exciting to read more and more about his birth and life .. i'm becomng quite addicted to his history. i 'think' i put the title and author above .. let me check it again ....
yep .. here t'is: THE WOMEN IN LINCOLN'S LIFE .. by H. Donald Winkler.
it's a pretty new book i believe. i'll see if abraham enlow is mentioned again. you know .. 'back then' .. it seems that families did indeed move a lot from state to state. often following family and 'olde friends'.
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| Carolinagirl |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 12:24:29 PM
Frannie- the book you mention, what is is? I guess I'm most interested in the passages about Enlow, who lived in Rutherford County (and Cherokee, during part of this possible story). If that book directly connects Enlow to the birth of Abraham Lincoln, then there is the possibility that he was born here... The Enlows were here, not in Kentucky.
I think it's fascinating that there may be an alternate (true?) history of someone so revered and so written about. I had no idea that this possibility existed until I moved here seven years ago (although I was familiar enough with the county, as it is where husband's family is)- and this alternate version of history is not uncommon, and is probably more accepted here than the one we've all grown up knowing.
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Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 11:19:35 AM
o.k. .. i was so excited and typing so fast .. .lots of typos .. please forgive and overlook them. ya'll know whut i mean! xo
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Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 11:17:39 AM
oh karin .. i'll check those out! gosh .. i actually have a book that says lincoln was a homosexual. i think it has been proven (by records) that lincoln's older sister Sarah was born two years before he was in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. So, i honestly believe that shows that they were living in Kentucky when Abe was born two years later.
"My mother was the illegitimate daughter of Lucy Hanks and a well-bred Virginia planter or farmer." Lincoln reportedly confided to Herndon (his law partner .. who by the way was born in Green County, Kentucky (his family soon moved to Illiniois.
The play we will be seeing this weekend is from Herndon's memories of Abraham Lincoln.
"My grandmother was poor and credulous, and she was ahamefully taken advantage of b the man. My mother inhereited his qualities, and I hers. According to Herndon, Lincoln was convinced that from this unknown grandfather he acquired his "power of analysis, logic, mental ability, ambition, and all the qualities that distinguished him from .. the Hanks family."
Lincoln the added the oft' quoted words: "God bless my mother. All that I am or ever hope to be I owe to her."
Lincoln knew that his mother, with all her limitations .. including the inability to write .. wa a strong woman. She was strong-minded and had 'remarkably keen perception", according to her maternal cousin Dennis Hanks. These were uncommon traits within the Hanks family, which was notable for notorious philanderers and numerous cases of illegitimacy. Lincoln's own grandomther, Lucy Hanks, was harged with 'fornication' by a grand jury in Mercer County, Kentucky. No wedding certifice has hever been found for her.
Nancy Hanks (lincoln's mom) may have continued the family's illicit tradition.
In early childhood Nancy was taken from her mother .. afterwards married to Henry Sparrow .. and sent to live with her aunt and uncle, Thomas and Elizabeth Hanks Sparrow. Then in late 1805, when Nancy was twenty-two, she drifted to Elizabethwon, Kentucky,"
Thomas Lincoln (abe's dad) described by a neighbor as "an uneducated, plain unprenedning plooding man" walked into Hank's carpentry shop that winter and asked to be an apprentice. The rapidly growing frontier town needed carpetners, and Hanks need help, so he hired Thoms. Soon, Hanks introduced Thoms to Nacy, and he began courting her.
Thomas was 28 and Nancy was 23 when engaged and were married on June 12, 1806 in Washington County, Kentucky, and afterwards set up housekeeping in a log cabin in Elizabethwon, where their first child, Sarah, was born 8 months later on February 10, 1807.
The following year, Thomas bought the farm in Hodges Mill, Kentucky. Two months later .. Abraham Lincoln was born on this farm.
and here's what this book says about ENLOW:
When Nancy went into labor with Abraham .. Thomas Lincoln hurried to fetche the midwife. He ran into Abrahm Enlow, one of his nearest neighbors. Enlow volunteered to find a mid-wife and advised Thomas to stay with Mrs. Lincoln. Enlow reeturned with his mother, who oversaw the birth. Afterwards Enlow said the baby was named for hiim to honor his 'neighborliness". (ha! read between the lines!!!__ In later life Lincoln acknowledged that was partly true. "The Enlows were good to us, and Mother gave them the pattern of the quilt that covered me. He was also named for his grandfather, whom Thomas, at age eight, had seen killed by an Indian. there had not been a generation of Lincolns without an Abraham since the late 17th century.'
aS A CHILD, lINCOLN UNDOUBTEDLY HEARD GOSSIP ABOUT HIS POSSIBL ILLEGITIMACY. wHEN HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1860, HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS ZEROED IN ON THE OLD STORIES AND SPREAD THEM WITH VICIOUS ABANDON. tO COUNTER THE POLITICAL DAMAGE, lINCOLN WROOTE TO sAMUEL hAYCRAFT, CL3ERK OF THE COURT IN hARDIN cOUNTY, kENTUCKY, AND ASKED HIM TO LOCATE THE MARRIAGE RECORD. hAYCRAFT, A LOCAL HISTORIAN AND LOYAL uNION SUPPORTER, HAD GWON UP IN ELIZABETHTOWN AND KNOWN tHOMAS lINCOLN. bUT WHATEVER SEARCH HE CONDUCTED APPARENTLY FAILED TO TURN UP THE REQUSTED DOCOUMENT.
WHOOP .. I'M SO EXCITED .. I'M IN CAPS!
Lincoln's longtime friend Ward Hill Lamon would alter claim that there was no marriage license. Thomas Lincoln's marriage was a comon law agreement with 'no evidence but that of mutual acknowlegement and cohabitation". Lamon wrote in his biography of Lincoln.
In 1878, however, W.F. Booker, clerk of the court in Washington County, made a remarkable discovery. while rummaging through piles of loose document sint he county courthouse, Booker said he found the marriage papers .. a June 19, 1806 'marriage return' by Methodist circuit rider Jesse Head certifying he performed their marriage. Most Lincoln scolars accept the documents as genuine even though the bond was simply a standard form with the signatures added. The actual marriage certificate was never found.
In the ninettenth century, an out of wedlock birth was scandalous! A worse sin was adultry, and in Lincoln's day rumors persisted that Nancy Hanks had adulterous relationships. Was someone other than Thomas Lincoln possibly the father of Abrahma Lincoln?
... thus reads the opening chapter of the book i just got at the Lincoln Museum in Hodgenville yesterday entitled;
THE WOMEN IN LINCOLN'S LIFE .. by H. Donald Winkler.
ahhhhhhhhh .. the plot thickens! i can hardly wait to continue reading .. (will report any of Winkler's 'findings).
NOW GURLFRENZ .. AS A LITTLE P.S. I would add .. that NO ONE has ever found a 'marriage license between my own dear dad and mom. He simply brought home his new 'pregnant' (with my older sister) wife ... they subsequently had ME (about the same time difference between Sarah and Abraham) .. and then my little brother a couple years later.
It's all VERY interesting .. and as time gets further from us .. who knows??? It is simply a matter of 'curiousity' at this point .. and truly doesn't matter. Aside from true geneological researach .. what makes a mom .. a dad .. a family .. is those that raise us and hopefully, love us.
geeeee .. what fun all this researach is. xo
He continues
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| Alee |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 11:14:21 AM
Did you know that the latest studies claim that Lincoln probably had the Giantism disease and that even if he hadn't gotten shot, he probably would have died within a year anyway due to aneurysm.
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Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 10:48:11 AM
rachel .. i understand they are going to 're-invigorate' his young boyhood home outside of hodgenville .. it is vulnerable because of the 'original' chinking and it is outside. i love it .. but it looks to be deteriorating .. i'm so glad the park service is going to fix it up. SOMEDAY . i want to travel the entire 'lincoln trail'. xo oh tell us about the Lincoln City, Indian home! xo
lincoln did say in his 'memoirs' that his earliest memory is of the second home here in kentucky. xo
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| bohemiangel |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 09:32:19 AM
Oh wow! That would be fun. They have interesting things sorta like that in gettysburg and around there. We've been to quite alot. That will be something i'd like to see
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| RachelLeigh |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 09:28:07 AM
I've been to Lincoln's birthplace but I used to volunteer at his boyhood home (Lincoln Boyhood National Memorial) in Lincoln City, Indiana. He lived there from age 7-14 and then his family moved to Illinois. Just thinking about it makes me sad because I LOVE national parks/memorials and wish I could work at one!
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| Mumof3 |
Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 05:10:56 AM
Frannie- I have been to Hodgenville to visit Lincoln's birthplace. It is such a beautiful, peaceful place. I was surprised at the open spring with its rushing water. I would have lost a kid in there for sure!
I'm glad you had such a good time in spite of such nasty weather! Nothing stops you, does it?
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Posted - Feb 13 2008 : 04:40:45 AM
Frannie- you should make a visit to my county (Rutherford County, NC), where it is believed Lincoln was really born. There are many factors, some bonafide and some legend, that show that Lincoln was born here then moved to Illinois. Here is a link to the local group site about Lincoln's birthday site:http://www.bosticlincolncenter.com/index.htm There's even a monument marking his birthplace on Puzzle Creek.
Another story: http://www.carolinacountry.com/storypages/ourstories/abe/abe.html
An excerpt from that story:The article cited a book published by James Cathey in 1899 asserting that Lincoln’s mother, the unmarried Nancy Hanks, became pregnant while living with the Abram Enloe family in Oconalufty, then of Swain County in western North Carolina. Mr. Enloe was a well-known, tall, angular livestock dealer. The story says that the wife of Abram Enloe, who was suspected of impregnating Nancy Hanks, banished Ms. Hanks from the household, and that Ms. Hanks was taken in at a neighbor’s place in Jonathan’s Creek, Haywood County. Later, the neighbor moved the still pregnant Nancy to Puzzle’s Creek in Rutherford County, where she gave birth to a boy and named him Abraham. She then ended up marrying a man named Tom Lincoln and moved to Kentucky.
Another article: http://www.genealogytoday.com/us/lincoln/genesis.pdf
Interesting enough-
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